A Canary In The Mine: An Open Plea To All CCF Rockets Fans ( Please Read )

Apparantly, the same people who like to use for his User ID names of characters from the Jacobin plays of Shakespeare's collected works. Falstaff used to be regular on Clutch, but he was banned many moons ago.

 

Macbeth might've been written in the Jacobean era, but both parts of Henry IV (the plays featuring Falstaff) date from the reign of Elizabeth. Your Shakespeare IQ is a paltry +20.

 

Why can't we be friends (x4)

Labels belong on envelopes.

Why can't we be friends (x4)

 

Zing!

 

I understand. I don't want any fans to leave, but if they hate the team and are miserable watching them, it might be more enjoyable for those fans. I like watching a team grow and improve.

I understand the frustration. I've been frustrated too. David S has previously been one of Francis' harshest critics, and I've disagreed with him at times, and agreed at others. But I've always enjoyed reading his posts. I don't mind analyzing and criticizing a players game. I've been frustrated by Francis myself on more than one occasion, I've also considered the possibility of trading Cat. Wanting to improve the team, or wanting the team to improve, and even looking at realistic trades doesn't mean anyone should move on from being a Rockets fan. That wasn't what I was saying.

What I was saying is that those fans who are blatantly unfair, and will put down the fundamentals of some players but not others, don't notice the improvements of some players, don't enjoy wins, seem more intent on rooting AGAINST certain players than FOR the TEAM, have only one solution to every problem, and that same solution to some non-problems, make the board hard to wade through at times.

To those who suggest we ignor certain threads and that somehow solves the problem:

No, we can't just ignore certain threads when these take up game threads, or threads that are positive about players end up turning into a bashing thread against that same player.

 

Man, when I started reading this thread, it only had 3 pages! Now I have to skim through the rest otherwise I won't be able to come around and actually say something.

First, labelling is not always bad. Anybody in any field of discussion uses labels. It's just a convenient way to talk among "insiders." So instead of typing "fans who only care about Yao and couldn't care less about the Rockets and like to bash whoever on the team that don't make Yao look good and don't know very much about basketball" every time, I want to just type "YOFs." Nothing wrong with using labels. What's wrong is dismissing someone only by a label without any substantive argument.

Second, the best way to fight stereotyping is to prove the stereotyping wrong, rather than lamenting the label. If you are black and people say you must like fried chicken, then just prove that you like Chinese food too . . . [/size=1]oops wrong illustration[/size] . If people think newbies and Yao fans are stupid and ignorant of basketball, then prove that they are wrong.

Third, Yao is a special phenomenon. There's just nothing compared to it. A 7'6" guy itself is special enough. A man that size who can ball is even more special. A man like that who is intelligent and appears to be genuinely humble and unselfish is the rarest thing of all. And on top of that, he comes from the most populated country in the world where basketball is NOT the most popular sport. I bet you cannot tell me another sport story like that. When there is a special phenomenon, there must be special problems that come with it. That's just life. Deal with it.

Fourth, what really makes the board degenerate is twofold, imho: arrogance and inconsideration. Arrogance is found mostly on the part of AYOFs. They talk condescendingly to other posters they deem ignorant or stupid. This kind of attitude can never solve the problem they perceive, i.e. the board is infected with loads of YOFs. On the contrary, it only eschalate the problem.

Inconsideration is found mostly on the part of YOFs. They just barge into this Rockets only site and do their Yao worshipping, without any consideration of heritage of the Rockets fanhood. I have no problem with people who love Yao only. As I pointed out long time ago in a thread about Yao's games with the Chinese NT. We were all YOFs to the Chinese NT because we didn't care a bit how the Chinese team do. All we want were Yao's performance. But if we went to a Chinese NT fans site (I don't know if such a thing exists) and swarm them with Yao-only threads and bash their guards and coaches for not making Yao better, we'd be pretty annoying too. So for the YOFs out there, we don't have to hate you. Just be more considerate.

BTW, I think sometimes using labels to do some good natured bantering is just healthy entertainment (e.g. labelling MacBeth a YOF in his "Icing of Yao" thread).

Anyway, I think people just need to lighten up. A little lighthearted comment can dissolve the most annoying and ignorant statement.

 

Thank you

 

This problem started with the puerile older posters who feel their birth right is this place. They started labelling evrybody critiquing Steve, Moochie or Cat YAO ONLY fans. I am not African Amercan, Caucasian or Asian. But some folks here have identified me as Asian because I critiqued Steve constructively. Bigots. What makes you different from Fuzzy Zoeler?

How stupid is that. I stand for anti stupid and dumb basketball. It does not matter who the culprit is. Unfortunately the culprits are Steve and Cat (majority of the time). But the those same stupid older posters labelled me. I did not find it funny - so I drew a line in the sand for those little twats.

Can't you folks reason? Stupid or dumb basketball does not equal to name-calling. It just means we can place better - win or lose. But the chronic simpletons (mostly old timers) just see wins and losers. They try very hard to 'have' Steve and Cutino's back that they forgot how to engage their brains.

Macbeth, I enjoy reading your inputs but I will not stop from exiting this forum. Because evolution dictates that change is inevitable - we will not all be here forever; we are bound to 'move on' someday. I just want to point out that this problem started with the old timers who subtlely implied that they were better than the rest of us - calling others names. I unconditionally loved Stevie, Eddie, Dickerson, Mobley, Sam Cassel, Boki, Yao, etc. the same way when they got here. Like any other rational fan, I gave each player time to grow. I never (or hardly) critique 1st, 2nd and in some cases 3rd year players. For a good reason. Steve and the older folks enjoyed this previlege and now it is time to call him out regularly. He is not paid the max to be baby seated. Yao, Boki and future Rox draft picks will enjoy similar treatments. They will be loved unconditionally early and given a chance to fail and make mistakes in their 1st, 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Yeah I see those same silly older memebers of this BBS call future critics of Yao Ming Calvin_Murphy_Jnr-ONLY-Fans

Yeah I am mad.

 

One more thing.

Wanting to trade away certain Rocket does not disqualify a person from being a Rockets fan. I don't get why some people think you have to be loyal to everyone on the team to be qualified as a real fan. If you don't agree, just think M-o-o-c-h-i-e.

 

That is unfair to the new fans. If they think that people who like steve are Yao-hater like the situation now and label those people who criticize Yao as Yao-hater, do others have to prove themself to these Yao' fans too?

It is the pre-assumption (due to stereotype) from both sides that is the problem here.

 

Very good analysis! I agree.
I hope that people from both sides will think about others feeling and be more considerate so the healthy discussion can take place insead of name calling war.

 

This thread is just getting better and better.

I am hesitant to change my username even I don't like the current one. Now it proves I wasn't thinking too much.

Now I think some of the senior members are arrogant and stubborn, can they prove me wrong?

 

Fair enough. Let's give peace a chance!

 

Dreamweaver, u r sew heh-vee !

On a lighter note, I am going to interview the author of a new book titled, The Tao of Yao Ming. I am not kidding. If you want to know how to hear this, it will be live 4 times and available through the net, but also stored for a week in the archives section of the radio network I work with, I would be happy to give the info to clutch, and he can let you know where and when.

Hope this doesn't violate any rules !

 

You dare insult my knowledge of Renaissance theater?!! That's it! This is war! I hate you. You, you, you . . . SHAKESPEARE-ONLY FAN!!!!! Fie, fie.

Okay, back to the topic now.

 

While we're still talking about Yao-Only fans and Steve-Only fans . . . . . A PLAGUE ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!!!!

 

Wow! What a thread we have going here.

I'm mostly just a lurker, but I do enjoy all of McBeth's posts. And I visit this site on a routine, if not daily basis.

I guess what strikes me is the gravity and heaviness of all this. Ultimately, for me, basketball is just a game and great entertainment. But that is really ALL that it is! When I get to the end of my life, I doubt seriously that I will be thinking about whether the Rockets won the championship - or even if they made the playoffs.

If this kind of thoughtfulness and analytical insight that so many of the members here were applied toward solving problems like global warming, war...whatever, you know the litany...then, we might pass on to another generation the joy of the athleticism and talent of Francis and Ming, or their future equivalents.

Until then, I prefer to keep things in perspective. It is just a game and just entertainment.

 

Man, you cannot leave like that.

Let the bashers bark and let the labellers label. The more they do it, the more humiliated they will be.

We need reasonable fans to post. You've got to stay.

 

This thread just sucks...apparently like the Rockets