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A breakdown of ALL Playoff scenarios

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Cannonball, Apr 14, 2009.

  1. jump shooter

    jump shooter Member

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    The Jazz are getting +6 and Lakers -6 in LA, thats not very comforting. Everything will hinge on how long Phil Jackson keeps his horses in the game, they have nothing to play.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    the laker will play shut up ALL their doubters.. if they tank, people might say they afraid of the jazz..
     
  3. Evil Empire

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    If I were Phil I'd want more practice incorporating Bynum back in and getting back his groove with the rest of the starters.

    I hope they blow Jazz out so bad through the first 3 quarters they can just play scrubs in the 4th!
     
  4. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    i dont know what all the fuss is about for this jazzhole laker game.

    i'm telling you guys that the rockets aren't even thinking about it. they're thinking about winning tomorrow and taking the division title.
     
  5. COMPAQ CENTER

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    Thanks for the thread.

    According to this, if every game's outcome is 50/50. Then the probabilities are :

    Hornets 37.5%
    Blazers 25.0%
    Mavericks 12.5%
    Spurs 12.5%
    Jazz 12.5%

    Compared with the simulation thread by BigBigRed.

    His numbers are :

    Blazers 36.2%
    Hornets 24.2%
    Mavericks 23.4%
    Spurs 11.4%
    Jazz 4.8%
     
  6. RockingRox

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    First of all, thanks Cannonball for his breakdown of the scenarios. Here I used his breakdown scenarios and put them into different groups based upon the times when the games are played. Lakers will play Jazz tonight. The Houston/Dallas and New Orleans/SAS games will start at the same time, two and a half hours ahead of Denver/Portland game. So I grouped the scenarios firstly by the Lakers/Jazz game, then the Houston/Dallas game. This will allow us to decide after the Lakers/Jazz game, whether we should go full-thurst to win the game against Dallas. Or on the other hands, we can rest our starters and freshen them up for the playoffs.

    Group I , Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas
    Group II , Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston
    Group III, Utah beats Lakers, Houston beats Dallas
    Group IV, Utah beats Lakers, Dallas beats Houston

    If the Lakers beat Utah tonight, the Rockets should do their best to win Dallas. The win will garantee an HCA. Without the win, there is 1/4 chance the Rockets will lose HCA. But as long as the Lakers win, the Rockets will not matchup with Utah.

    If the Lakers lose to Utah tonight, the Rockets might want to think about it before they go 100% thrust. Winning Dallas in this case will also garantee HCA, but there is 50% chance the Rockets will machup with Utah. Losing to Dallas in this case will avoid meeting Utah, but there is 1/4 chance the Rockets will lose HCA.

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    Scenario group I:
    Code:
    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland.
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    [COLOR=Red]3. Houston[/COLOR]
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]6. New Orleans[/COLOR]
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah
    
    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    [COLOR=Red]3. Houston[/COLOR]
    4. San Antonio
    5. Portland
    [COLOR=Red]6. New Orleans[/COLOR]
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah
    
    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Porland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    [COLOR=Red]2. Houston[/COLOR]
    3. Denver
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    [COLOR=Red]7. Dallas[/COLOR]
    8. Utah
    
    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    [COLOR=Red]2. Houston[/COLOR]
    3. Denver
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    [COLOR=Red]7. Dallas[/COLOR]
    8. Utah
    
    Scenario group II.
    Code:
    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    [COLOR=Red]3. Houston[/COLOR]
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]6. New Orleans[/COLOR]
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah
    
    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]4. Houston[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=Red]5. Portland[/COLOR]
    6. Dallas
    7. New Orleans
    8. Utah
    
    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. Portland
    [COLOR=Red]4. Houston
    5. San Antonio[/COLOR]
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah
    
    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]4. Portland
    5. Houston[/COLOR]
    6. Dallas
    7. New Orleans
    8. Utah
    
    Scenario group III
    Code:
    Utah beats Lakers, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    [COLOR=Red]3. Houston[/COLOR]
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]6. New Orleans[/COLOR]
    7. Utah
    8. Dallas
    
    Utah beats Lakers, Houston beats Dallas, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    [COLOR=Red]3. Houston[/COLOR]
    4. San Antonio
    5. Portland
    [COLOR=Red]6. Utah[/COLOR]
    7. New Orleans
    8. Dallas
    
    Utah beats Lakers, Houston beats Dallas, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    [COLOR=Red]2. Houston[/COLOR]
    3. Denver
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. Utah
    [COLOR=Red]7. New Orleans[/COLOR]
    8. Dallas
    
    Utah beats Lakers, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. Lakers
    [COLOR=Red]2. Houston[/COLOR]
    3. Denver
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    [COLOR=Red]7. Utah[/COLOR]
    8. Dallas
    
    Scenario group IV.
    Code:
    Utah beats Lakers, Dallas beats Houston, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    [COLOR=Red]3. Houston[/COLOR]
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]6. New Orleans[/COLOR]
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah
    
    Utah beats Lakers, Dallas beats Houston, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. Portland
    [COLOR=Red]4. Houston
    5. San Antonio[/COLOR]
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah
    
    Utah beats Lakers, Dallas beats Houston, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Denver beats Portland
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]4. Houston
    5. Portland[/COLOR]
    6. Dallas
    7. Utah
    8. New Orleans
    
    Utah beats Lakers, Dallas beats Houston, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Portland beats Denver
    
    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. San Antonio
    [COLOR=Red]4. Portland
    5. Houston[/COLOR]
    6. Dallas
    7. Utah
    8. New Orleans
     
  7. COMPAQ CENTER

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    If Utah beats LA, the probabilities become:
    Hornets 37.5%
    Blazers 25.0%
    Mavericks 0.00%
    Spurs 12.5%
    Jazz 25.0%

    If Utah loses to LA, the probabilities become:
    Hornets 37.5%
    Blazers 25.0%
    Mavericks 25.0%
    Spurs 12.5%
    Jazz 0.00%
     
  8. Cannonball

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    Just FYI, I'm going to edit the original post after the Lakers-Jazz game tonight and gray out the scenarios that are no longer applicable.
     
  9. napalm06

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    Amen, and amen.

    If you really enjoy this and all the giddy speculation is your thing, be my guest. Otherwise it just aint worth anything.
     
  10. Cannonball

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    Original post is now updated to reflect the Lakers win over the Jazz.
     
  11. Lumix

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    People normally only check the last post - so better post it once more.

     
  12. BaiHua

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    I will go for

    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland.

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. Houston
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah

    Brilliant breakdown by Cannonball & RockingRox. Thank you guys

    can't wait for the showdown 2moro
     
  13. WhoMikeJames

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    Here's a helpful chart from John Hollinger.

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  14. Cannonball

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    For the lazy: ;)

    The Western Conference playoff teams are set and as if it were planned, each playoff team plays another playoff team in its final game of the season. Those games are:

    UTA@LAL - Lakers defeat Jazz
    HOU@DAL
    NO@SA
    DEN@POR

    UPDATE 4/14: LA beat Utah. So there are now 8 scenarios left. I've deleted the ones that are no longer applicable.

    Here's a breakdown of the number of scenarios in which the Rockets got a particular seed:

    #2 seed - 2 scenarios
    #3 seed - 3 scenarios
    #4 seed - 2 scenarios
    #5 seed - 1 scenario

    Here's a breakdown of the number of scenarios in which the Rockets faced a particular opponent

    vs New Orleans - 3 scenarios
    vs Portland - 2 scenarios (1 of them without home court advantage)
    vs Dallas - 2 scenarios
    vs San Antonio - 1 scenarios

    EDIT: Here are the breakdowns applicable to whether the Rockets win or lose in Dallas.

    WIN vs Dallas:
    #2 - 2 Scenarios
    #3 - 2 Scenarios

    vs. New Orleans - 2 scenarios
    vs. Dallas - 2 scenarios

    LOSS vs Dallas:
    #3 - 1 scenario
    #4 - 2 scenarios
    #5 - 1 scenario

    vs. Portland - 2 scenarios (1 without home court advantage)
    vs. New Orleans - 1 scenarios
    vs. San Antonio - 1 scenario

    Below is a list of all the scenarios and the playoff seeds that accompany them. The Rockets and first round opponent are in RED BOLD.

    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland.

    -OR-

    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Denver beats Portland

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. Houston
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah

    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Denver beats Portland

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. Houston
    4. San Antonio
    5. Portland
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah

    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Porland beats Denver

    -OR-

    Lakers beat Utah, Houston beats Dallas, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Portland beats Denver

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Houston
    3. Denver
    4. Portland
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah

    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Denver beats Portland

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. San Antonio
    4. Houston
    5. Portland
    6. Dallas
    7. New Orleans
    8. Utah

    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, New Orleans beats San Antonio, Portland beats Denver

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. Portland
    4. Houston
    5. San Antonio
    6. New Orleans
    7. Dallas
    8. Utah

    Lakers beat Utah, Dallas beats Houston, San Antonio beats New Orleans, Portland beats Denver

    1. LA Lakers
    2. Denver
    3. San Antonio
    4. Portland
    5. Houston
    6. Dallas
    7. New Orleans
    8. Utah
     
  15. blender

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    Thanks for the excellent breakdown and now the update, Cannonball.

    Ideally, the Rockets will get the #3 seed and play New Orleans. That would leave Denver and Dallas to fight it out in what I'd expect to be an intense series.

    Also, Portland is the team with the best chance of knocking out the Lakers in the second round, and they would get their shot as the #4 or 5 seed.

    In order for this to happen, though, the Rockets need to get the job done against Dallas.
     
  16. blender

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    I should add Denver has to beat Portland.
     
  17. JujuxG

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    there's too many if, but great stat, thank you for the information.

    Best chance rocket faces NH or mavs.
     
  18. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    very easy rooting for wednesday night.

    1. rockets
    2. blazers
    3. hornets

    the hornets are our safety net. if the hornets win, the rockets win the division even with a loss, thus the 3rd seed no matter what happens in the rockets/mavs game. still, the rockets control their own destiny. the blazers beating the nuggets is just icing.
     
  19. Rockets Jones

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    I read that Morey's magical statistics prospect has a 60% chance of us meeting Portland in the 1st round. Does that mean his stats say we will lose to Dallas ??? :mad: If so, fire Morey :p
     
  20. Marcus Bryant

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    Scola, Ron... :cool:
     

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