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A Black, Female Conservative: the Dems' worst nightmare?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 23, 2003.

  1. basso

    basso Member
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    and what has this administration done to make it harder for minorities, as opposed to everyone, to get student loans?
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I didn't say that it wasn't harder for everyone, I'm saying these are issues minorities are concerned about. Minorities are not only concerned about issues that only affect them.

    That's my whole point, you keep trying to ram Condelesa Rice down my throat but you are either intentionally or unitentionally missing the point I'm making. Minorities vote on candidates who think they will support their side of certain issues, not who will appoint the highest ranking black member of whatever committee.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    There's two tax cuts, the one from 01 and the one from this year. The one from 01 (fuly implemented, I think) was responsible for roughly half of this years deficit (around 200b or so) or so I recall the CBO determined. ( http://www.cbo.gov )

    The ones from thsi year, aren't fully implemented till 2005-09 (although they sunset in 2010 but the admin is trying to get rid of this)

    The ones from this year are projected to be responsible for a large part of the future deficit (where the really massive shortfall happens bc of soc sec and medicare).

    Cutting discretionary spending is going to be difficult, if not impossible, because of the massive handout to Iraq and the huge increase in the defense budget. Bogeyman programs like the NEA and public TV that conservatives like to beat up on make up a small fraction of the current budget. Example, one week in Iraq (about 1b) would pay for Senator Hatch's prescription drug plan for 10 years.

    The stuff that's going to be left to cut is going to be very unpopular, stuff like Homeland security (I won't even mention defense because it is now a sacred cow after Sept. 11) Highway funds, Courts, police, prisons, education. Even worse, a lot of it is going to get shifted to the states, who will pay for it by raising taxes or go bankrupt.
     
  4. basso

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    why support affirmative action then?
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Dude, I'm not going to go off into a tagent away from this thread topic, I answered your question about how I felt about the cartoon, I answered your question about why minorities vote for who they vote for.

    Have a nice day.:)
     
  6. basso

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    dude, i'm just giving you a hard time. ;) You've established that blacks vote for the same reasons that everyone else does, their own self-intrest. my point has been that the people most blacks vote for aren't the friends you suppose them to be.

    further, why bother to nominate/elect minorities to high office if white men can do the job themselves? because (as TJ said earlier) it's tremendously important for everyone to participate in the process of government, and for men, women, black, brown, and beige to have positive role models they can look up to and emulate. i want my daughter to grow up having seen a woman president, a minority president, and not just white men. in the last 15 years the republican party has done more to enable this than you give them credit for. they're still trying, and if we could all put petty politics aside we'd get there a whole lot faster.
     
  7. Timing

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    You continue on the same lost path. Putting Powell as Secretary of State doesn't improve minority neighborhoods, or minority education, or minority health care, etc. It just gives Republicans nice photo ops and something to talk about on Martin Luther King day.

    Reporter - "Well Mr. Bush what are you doing to each out to the African-American community?"

    Bush - "As you can see I've appointed two African-Americans to some of the highest positions in the land, obviously I'm doing quite a lot."

    *yawn*

    As long as Republicans do little to address minority communities, the Democrats can just smile and keep taking the vote. You can complain that they're not the friend you think they are, but currently they're the only ones even resembling a friend. The stigma surrounding the Republican party is well earned in that regard.
     
  8. Desert Scar

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    The person doesn't have to be liberal or even black to reach out to Blacks--just look at Bill Clinton.

    Bill Clinton's public positions were not much different than Powell's BTW, but it is pretty clear to most while Powell is in the Republican party those aspects of his views they don't agree with (everything domestic really) they isolate him from having any voice. If the Republican Party wanted to reach out to blacks they would appoint more people like Powell and give him a voice on domestic issues. Not going to happen though.
     
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    It just goes to show you that all these liberal b.s. platitudes about "diversity" and "tolerance" only apply if you are a liberal of color. Their hyprocisy is showing through clearly. In other words "We might talk a good talk about putting more minorities in positions of power, but we don't want them unless they toe our ideological line." Sickening.
     
  10. Oski2005

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    Let's see the repubs put a liberal black in an appointed office, then you can make that claim.

    This is ridiculous, it's all about politics. You are basically saying that black liberals should forgot about their beliefs for the sake of supporting somebody of the same color. How is this any different than affirmitive action? THe blatant hypocrisy is just reaching new levels.
     

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