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A Black, Female Conservative: the Dems' worst nightmare?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 23, 2003.

  1. basso

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    hey, that's what the senator durbin was accusing her of yesterday. as for thinking the same, i never said that. in fact, i said just the opposite, that justice brown is being smeared for thinking differently.
     
  2. pgabriel

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    Maybe you need to choose your words more carefully because that you made no distinction, also I've already made the point that I didn't think the cartoon was as offensive.

    Again, its just Clarence Thomas in a dress to make the point that she thinks like Clarence Thomas and if they are so opposed to those views that's their right. What's the big deal?
     
  3. basso

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    [sigh]i just get the feeling that their animus is intensified because she's not "thinking like a sistah," but perhaps that's just my guilty, white, neocon conscience talking- don't mean to project...
     
  4. pgabriel

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    See, this is what I mean,

    What's the point of that quote, do you think all black liberals walk around talking about brothas and sistahs? Statements like that are uncalled for.
     
  5. basso

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    you're reading way too much into what i'm saying. i think we're talking past one another here. i'm saying the BC website is guilty of playing race politics in a way that you'd find offensive had it come from some "white" web site. they're smearing her because she dares to stray from the liberal, black orthodoxy. proof that not all blacks think alike.
     
  6. pgabriel

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    It's not playing race politics, its a conservative versus liberal issue as you stated, and that link her to another conservative black judge appointed by Bush's father. I just don't find it that out of line.
     
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    From blackcommentator.com...

    Janice Brown is frightening, like Clarence Thomas. So we put a fright wig on Thomas and called it Janice Brown.

    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch stage-managed the Brown nomination hearing opening act, Wednesday, brandishing the cartoon like damning evidence of conservative-bashing by “the usual suspects.” Members of the audience struggled to stifle laughter as the cartoon was exhibited to the hearing room. “Despicable…shameful,” Hatch fumed.

    (Days earlier, Hatch had attempted to link the September 4 issue cartoon directly to People For The American Way and the NAACP, figuring to thus “taint” the groups by association with someone else’s drawing. There can be no doubt that Hatch knew better; the cartoon bears the signature of the artist, and “www.BlackCommentator.com” is prominently inked in the left-hand corner. Hatch of course made no effort to contact (us) – that might have spoiled his cynical display of indignation at the “usual suspects,” his real targets: the NAACP and PFAW.)

    Brown said she became aware of Khalil Bendib’s cartoon, featuring the Thomas character (with and without fright wig), Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, and George Bush, when shown it by her husband. “At least I’m in good company,” she told Hatch. Our point, entirely!

    Hatch sought to create a pool of sympathy for poor Judge Brown, in hopes of deflecting pointed questions. However, there is nothing in Brown’s record but reactionary rhetoric disguised as legal opinion, political grandstanding in service of her patrons. In response to New York Senator Charles Schumer’s terse interrogation, Brown could offer little more than a halting, “The cases say what they say.” Schumer’s conclusion: “She wants to turn back the clock, not just a few years, but by a century or more.”

    Janice Brown is a Jim Crow-era judge, in natural blackface.
     
  8. Refman

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    First, the KKK is such a fringe organization that their "publications" barely see the light of day. Secondly, most of us don't "allow" it. Whenever the KKK is brought up, most white people roll their eyes and say they wish the KKK would just up and die.

    Fair enough. You have mentioned this 3 times in this thread. Exactly how do you feel about it? I'm not being argumentative...just a question.

    We hear this every time somebody who isn't white gets nominated for anything by the Republicans. We heard it when he nominated Eric Gonzalez. Eric Gonzalez is an excellent jurist, but that just got overshadowed.
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    No, you are a "Dems" worst nightmare basso.
     
  10. pgabriel

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    The only reason I mentioned it three times is because basso never seemed to get the point.

    As I stated earlier, I don't feel it's that offensive because it is just a picture of Clarence Thomas in a dress as far as the actual cartoon is concerned. The only point is that she is a conservative like Thomas whom most blacks don't agree with.

    Secondly, if Bush wants to appoint conservative blacks to the courts and other positions, that's fine with me, he's conservative and he's going to choose people who subscribe to his policies. Just don't appoint conservative blacks and then talk about how you are reaching out to blacks, when you know that the blacks you appointed tend not to agree with the majority of blacks on different issues. It is a patronizing tactic.
     
  11. basso

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    sorry to keep coming back to this, and i don't mean to be obtuse or offensive, but aren't you saying that the only way to "reach out to blacks" is by appointing a liberal? shouldn't equal opportunity mean just that, equal oportunity for all races and viewpoints? and lastly, are you really qualified to speak for "most blacks?"
     
  12. pgabriel

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    Dude, if you don't think I'm qualified, just look at how "most blacks" vote. And no that's not the only way to reach out to blacks, but appointing someone who doesn't agree with most blacks isn't reaching out to them either, even if they are black.
     
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    finally we agree on something!
     
  14. basso

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    do you think the democratic party takes "most blacks" votes seriously, or does it take the black vote for granted? Colin Powell is the highest ranking black in our nations history. The most powerful woman in the country today happens to be black, and IMHO would make a fabulous nominee for president in 2008- and she could WIN, unlike CMB. the only black on the supreme court was appointed by a republican president. now which party takes blacks more seriously?
     
  15. SamFisher

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    And, they even made trent lott quit! Obviously, the answer is republicans.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    And Colin Powell is pro affirmative action and pro choice, so is really Republican, and I believe if you did a poll most blacks like Colin Powell. He isn't as conservative as you believe just because he is Republican.
     
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    I am disturbed and somewhat surprised at your tone during these discussions. Never judge a book...I guess.
     
  18. basso

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    Hey, the republican party is now the big-tent party! Colin Powell, Ah-nold, Trent Lott are all republicans. don't assume all republicans think the same, just because the NYTimes would have you believe that. I'm a republican because I believe in fiscal probity, national security, and a more or less libertarian view of social issues. also, i think the demoocratic party has sold its soul to special interests and the trial lawyers association.
     
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    Careful there, your GOP "Big Tent" is made of glass.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    Look, hopefully this is my last post in this forum,

    You're right, President Bush has appointed blacks to high positions in his administration. That's commendable and further more it tells me that he doesn't have a problem with Blacks in powerful positions which I believe he doesn't.

    But that doesn't mean that he's sympathetic to concerns of the black community. It isn't a white and black topic (no pun intended). Just because you aren't prejudiced doesn't mean you are sypathetic to the concerns of the black community. My concerns aren't putting a few blacks in high positions even the presidency, my concern is for the advancement of the black community as a whole.
     

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