[99ers Only] Has there been a more unlikable Rockets team than this one?

The older Rockets would beat the youngsters by 15 or 20. Walt could shoot.

 

Noo. These jackasses are unwatchable

 

I did too. I cant watch current bs to the same extent

 

'99ers only'? wtf is that?
ive been a Rox fan since Moses... smh...

 

Nothing is worse than having to watch KPJ play but Francis-Mobley was bad.

 

While I agree with this, we might have a higher ceiling than the Knicks.

 

Those years were harder to watch than the current team (IMO) because expectations were so high.
And to have it unravel due to white powder is WAY harder to swallow than merely watching the current teams ineptitude due mostly to inexperience and failed leadership..

 

Franchise was not leading the team anywhere. Losing Cat sucked though.

 

Nope, i never heard of Evan Mobley before last year - i don't portend to know anything about the draft.

Go back and read my old posts if you want, i was pretty convinced that Green and the rebuild were all "on schedule" last season.

But this season is the opposite - the Rockets have managed to undershoot my low expectations (25-30 wins) with a disastrous December and seem to be going backwards.

Very little meaningful apparent progress or improvement throughout the roster.

Even worse, the most critical aspect - getting a superstar player, the Rockets appear to be no closer than they were 2 years ago when Harden left.

Green doesn't look like that guy currently and has taken a step backwards since last March. We've discussed ad nauseum

Smith Jr....is...not Banchero. He appears to have Michael Jordan's attitude with Jordan Bell's talent. Still could be a useful player but superstar? Doesn't even seem remotely close. If you can't create off the dribble in the NBA and can't make layups, it's hard to see anything other than role player in your future. That's not bad! He could be the elitest 3 n D guy ever, But, not franchise altering

Sengun - honestly the guy gets played off the court on pick & rolls now, gets bullied in the post, he's improved on offense definitely but his ceiling is obvious - i don't see him crossing the superstar barrier because of it

All the other youngsters sure some might be nice pieces - but who cares? Without that central piece its irrelevant.

I don't mind having optimism for the Rockets, i still hold out some hope, but the state of this rebuild right now is bad, as bad as Detroit and arguably worse.

I think Silas should move on because clearly whatever his plan is, the players tuned it out. Who knew giving the franchise over to a soup throwing halftime leaving HEAD HONCHO could do this?

but the people holding on to the "just change the coaching and we'll be ok" are in for a rude awakening - these guys have lots of flaws that don't appear to be the product of coaching.

They definitely might get better, but the bear case is just as strong as the bull case - for which there has been no new supporting evidence for over a month.

 

None of your claims here are actual analysis.

You make matter of fact claims like no improvement " and "flaws that are due to player and not coaching".

Okay so now tell me your criterion for determining how you determine which type of flaw is correctable and which type isn't?

No one expecting a coaching change to make this team dramatically improve in a season.

It's amazing how you can't fathom that a bunch of 20 year olds trying to learn their game and role in the league all at the same time on the court is asking for confusion, inefficient looks, players out of position and in the way causing massive spacing issues. Inexperienced players playing at the same time is going to result in players just falling for their comfort tendencies like resorting to AAU freestyle basketball and that's exactly what you are seeing None of this stuff even crosses your mind. Why? I have no clue. Maybe being a negative Nancy is like an internal coping mechanism for you.

 

Sure. Jabari Smith jr being terrible underneath the rim, unable to create separation and being unable to pass or handle seems like an inherent limitation that has not that much to do with coaching.

The guys dad was a pro basketball player - he's obviously had access to high level basketball instruction forever

Maybe some coach will some day teach him to compensate with tricks and guile! Great. But he'll never have the inherent on the ball ability of Banchero or Durant or whoever so his top end will always be well south of theirs.

Sengun - sure, he's just too small and not quick footed enough on defense. Sure, maybe if he becomes a Jokic level talent, and you literally build an entire roster around minimizing his weakness - you can say you can coach around it but there's quite a lot of room there to say that's a fact.

Green - again if his shot ever comes back,he'll be close to a star player at a minimum. But he seems limited in terms of being a ball handler. Maybe he has the highest potential benefits coming from a coaching change but, also, maybe not. It's possible he's just not as good as I once thought, a possibility that has increased based on what we've seen this season.

 

Some dumb thing @tinman used to crow about incessantly before he became a full-time alt right shitposter on cancel patrol.

Both these things are underpinned by the the unimpeachable belief that crusty old white dudes should control everything and should never suffer the indignty of being offended, so it makes more sense than you'd think.

 

oh i'm familiar with the shtick... lol... ive chided tinman for the hubris associated with the mindset in the past... lol
i was just taken aback by the balls of declaring a thread only open to 'selected' members... lol!

but on a side note... speaking as a 'crusty old white dude' who is obviously excluded from this 99er 'click' - its prob not about being a crusty old white dude...lol! You will always have people that will attempt to place themselves at higher regard... whether due to wealth, education, perceived virtuousness, and yeh some even due to something as random as color... and a million other reasons - some over something as inane as a join date on internet chat board... lol! ...its human nature for some... dont make it more than it is - nobody needs that in their head...

 

The only thing as crusty as this thread was Harden's beard during his time on the Rockets.

 

I have no idea who is good or not, I want to see a proper coach and system so I can truly see.

DD

 

This post should be stickied...especially the bolded. It's sobering and realistic but not insulting to any dissenting viewpoint.

 

I wouldn't describe this group as unlikable, but they are hard to watch at times.

I feel like we're kind of the island of misfit toys and until we get a real coach, I'm really not sure what we have or can build for the future.

I'm not sure any of our guys have superstar potential, but I do believe they have a lot more growth and development than we've seen to date.

 

I can’t think of one

 

Agree.
A lot of delusion we’re the next Thunder. “Yeah, we’re following the OKC model! Tank for 3 years, draft your 4 franchise guys (Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden), we’re set!”

No. More likely to be the Lakers (or Kings/Knicks as you said).

Spoiler

Lakers: Randle-Russell-Ball (Ingram too)
Fine players, no franchise guys.
Randle left as a FA
Russell traded away (for Brook Lopez/Kyle Kuzma; really to dump Mozgov’s contract)
Ball/Ingram traded for the ‘real’ franchise guy (AD)

The meltdown here when/if they don’t land Wembanyama/Scoot is gonna be something.
Go check the Texans forum/thread today when they lost the #1 pick for a sneak peek.