So you really believe that Mike was scare of the Dream? If Mike didn't fear Bird or Magic I'm pretty sure he didn't fear anyone on the basketball court. As a matter of fact Magic and Bird as said Mike didn't fear anyone.
http://www.lakersplayers.org/james-worthy.php In 1990, Worthy was arrested in Houston and charged with solicitation of prostitution. He was in the city with the Lakers for a game against the Houston Rockets. According the police, prior to the game, Worthy called a local Houston escort service and requested that two women be sent to meet him in his hotel room. Unbeknownst to Worthy, police had already shut down the escort service, and they instead sent two undercover vice squad officers to the hotel to meet him. Worthy was jailed and was unable to post bail and be released in time to make it to the arena by the start of that evening's game. Sam Perkins started the game in Worthy's place. Worthy did play later in the game, having arrived shortly after the game had begun. However, his absence from the starting lineup served to ensure maximum publicity for the embarrassing arrest, as journalists covering the game sought out and reported the reason that he did not start. A month later, Worthy pleaded no contest to both charges. He was sentenced to one year of probation, fined $1,000 USD and ordered to perform 40 hours of community service. Worthy was married at the time of the incident. He and his wife, Angela, did make an attempt to salvage their marriage, but the damage ultimately proved too great and they divorced in 1995.
Jordan&Pippen=Bullsfan, this is real. Cartwright took out Dream ..twice. the Game that Cartwright took out Dream, your precious Bulls were getting blown out, so Phil gave the mafia hit. you know what happened next time they saw each other ? this: Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE Date: TUE 03/26/1991 Section: Sports Page: 1 Edition: 2 STAR Rockets snap Bulls' win string By EDDIE SEFKO Staff CHICAGO - It's official. The Rockets are legitimate. So legitimate, in fact, they did what 26 teams before them couldn't - win at Chicago Stadium. The Rockets overwhelmed the Bulls 100-90 Monday night, extending their winning streak to 12 games and handing the Bulls their first home loss since Dec. 8, when Portland won here. In fact, the Rockets might have become league-certified championship contenders with their performance, which was rock-solid from start to finish. The Bulls came in with the best record in the NBA. The Rockets came out of the game with more respect and, of course, the victory. It was a game the Rockets would have been happy to just get out of healthy. The last time these teams met, Bill Cartwright's elbow smashed Hakeem Olajuwon's right eye. It was payback time in the most painful way. The Rockets did it with solid defense and excellent play from their guards. Kenny Smith led the Rockets with 25 points; Sleepy Floyd scored 10 consecutive points in the fourth quarter. Ahead 85-80, the Rockets got a layup, a free throw, a three-point shot and two free throws by Floyd as they outscored the Bulls down the stretch. Floyd's streak kept the Rockets in front 93-86 with less than two minutes to go. He topped it off with two free throws for good measure, and the Bulls resorted to three-pointers, which they couldn't make in the final minute. The Bulls were not without incentive. The Rockets had handed Chicago its worst loss of the season in Houston, a 114-92 pounding, and the bulk of the margin was gained after Olajuwon had hit the deck. The Bulls must have been as surprised as anybody when the Rockets stormed to a 17-point third-quarter lead, then were still up by 11 going into the final 12 minutes. And the Bulls were led, not surprisingly, by a hot-shooting guard. Yes, B.J. Armstrong did most of the damage. Who? The third-year reserve guard from Iowa hit a pair of baskets during Chicago's 9-3 streak to open the final period. That got them to 76-71. But the Rockets recaptured a nine-point lead as Olajuwon hit a short fadeaway and Smith drove the lane for a nice layup with 6:44 to go. The Bulls called timeout to collect themselves. Michael Jordan had yet to be heard from, sitting out four minutes and going scoreless for another four. After the timeout, he knocked in the Bulls' next seven points, but the Rockets kept their focus and their lead. If not their cool. Jordan and Maxwell got into a mild shoving match with 5:19 to go. Both players received technical fouls, rendering the incident meaningless. It had been Maxwell's job all night to stick with Jordan and he had done a decent job of harassing the league's leading scorer, despite what the final numbers would indicate. At any rate, after the altercation, Maxwell pumped in a 20-foot jumper for an 84-77 lead. Jordan came back on the next possession to get fouled on a quick drive by Maxwell. After the play, Jordan was doing a lot of talking to Maxwell, who simply grinned. After that, it became a pressure-packed final four minutes, with the heat on during every possession. The Rockets responded just as they have in every game in March. They won. In the pre-game hoopla, Olajuwon sat in the visitors' locker room, and the television showed the Rockets' Jan. 3 game against the Bulls at The Summit. Did he have any flashbacks? "No, look I'm still in the game," Olajuwon said, pointing to the screen. "And without goggles." Nobody would have blamed Olajuwon if he'd been a little skittish about going against the Bulls. Judging from the first quarter, the nerves must not have been completely steady for Olajuwon. Either that, or the Rockets simply forgot about him because Olajuwon was barely part of the action. In the first quarter, Olajuwon was low man among Rockets starters with two field-goal attempts. Not surprisingly, the Rockets were trailing 28-22, but it could have been worse. They got a last-minute boost from Floyd, whose three-pointer with three seconds to go put the Rockets in a better frame of mind starting the second quarter. The Rockets began the period with a 12-2 surge during which Olajuwon came alive. He hit three consecutive shots, the last of which gave the Rockets the lead 32-30. Up to that point, they had been doing a splendid job of putting a ball-and-chain on Jordan. Maxwell had pursued him around the court almost nonstop. "You can't just let him go crazy," coach Don Chaney said. "We knew we had to contain him at least somewhat to have a chance." Just when the Rockets thought they were doing a good job, Jordan scored eight of the Bulls' last 10 points of the first half. The good news was nobody else on the Bulls' squad was hurting the Rockets. Meanwhile, Smith was dropping in an occasional jumper and the Rockets' defense was confounding the Bulls. The Rockets had 11 steals, usually an entire game's worth, in the first two quarters. Those thefts constituted most of the Bulls' 15 first-half turnovers. With so many botched opportunities, it was no wonder the Bulls were in a 51-42 hole at halftime, getting outscored 29-14 in the second quarter. And the Rockets, who treated this as a game of playoff-type importance, kept rolling after the intermission. The Bulls were limited to four points in the first 5:10 after halftime, shooting 1-for-7 from the field. The Rockets could do no wrong. As an example of the kind of roll they were on, Maxwell broke free on a breakaway, but a Chicago defender was closing in. Maxwell caught the ball too close to the basket, but scooped up a high, arching flip shot that kissed the glass and dropped through the net. Those are the kinds of plays that generate a 63-46 advantage, which the Rockets hd with seven minutes to play in the third period. Jordan had yet to make a peep in the second half, but his time would come. He scored six of Chicago's eight points as they crept back within 65-54, but the Rockets, with Maxwell scoring on consecutive layups, moved back ahead by 15 as the quarter wound down. While an 11-point lead against Jordan and Co. is not safe, the Rockets had to figure themselves in good shape as they rolled into the fourth quarter with a 73-62 lead.
The Magic man slept with more than 1,000 women based on his own count. Get your fact straight, tinman! BTW, Cartwright's foul on Dream was an accident, just as Deke's elbow to James' face. They both are known for swinging the sharp elbows, and got quite a few victims throughout their career. Oh, we all know the Bulls won 6 titles, and the Rockets won 2 during the 90's. Those are the fact. It's meaningless to talk about what IF, or use any regular season games to predict what would happen in playoff. Give it a rest, and move on.
How are you suppose to play in the middle if the other teams center is known for flailing elbows and knocking out people? that's not basketball. You guys can pull the Deke does it also, but Deke is a 4 time DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. what the hell has Cartwright done? Pathetic. They put OUR best player to the hospital and still get the butts kicked. This is the freaking team with Buck Johnson! Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE Date: SUN 01/06/1991 Section: Sports Page: 9 Edition: 2 STAR Injury to Olajuwon casts long shadow Thursday, Jan. 3 Rockets 114, Bulls 92 The Rockets had no problems dancing cheek-to-cheek with one of the NBA's hottest teams and waltzing to victory at The Summit. But when the Bulls introduced a wayward elbow from a guy who is known for his flapping wings, the festive occasion turned gloomy when Akeem Olajuwon was carried off the court on a stretcher with severe facial injuries. The franchise center went down in a crumpled heap late in the third quarter after taking an apparently unintentional - but brutally painful - elbow in the right cheek, just below the eye, from Chicago center Bill Cartwright. Olajuwon left the game and was taken to Park Plaza Hospital, where he was kept overnight for X-rays and observation. The right side of his face was badly swolllen. The Rockets said there was no visual impairment, but it was uncertain if there was a fracture. Cartwright has become known around the league as the elbow equivalent of Edward Scissorhands. He has bloodied Detroit's Isiah Thomas twice with flapping elbows and has at least two other notches on his forearms. In Chicago's practices, the Bulls players make it a habit not to be near Cartwright when he's going for a rebound or loose ball. Not that this particular incident appeared flagrant. Olajuwon, who had 20 points, and Cartwright were battling for a missed shot with 3:45 left in the third quarter when Olajuwon caught Cartwright's elbow flush between his right eye and nose. Olajuwon's injury took the luster off an otherwise excellent performance against Michael Jordan and the Bulls. Olajuwon had helped the Rockets build a 79-65 lead when he exited. Then Otis Thorpe took over. Thorpe had suffered through an awful first half, but scored 19 points in the second half and finished with 23 points and 11 rebounds. The Rockets went on to outscore the Bulls 30-18 in the third quarter to open up an 89-69 lead. Kenny Smith had an excellent floor game, scoring 18 points and giving out 13 assists. The Rockets never let the lead slip below 18 in the final period. "In the second half, it was a case of a player - Otis Thorpe - showing leadership, especially when Akeem went down," Chaney said. Thorpe said he was just trying to make amends for what had gone wrong in the first half. "One thing that was hurting was our rebounding," Thorpe said. "(Horace) Grant was killing us on the offensive boards. "Coach wanted me to rebound more. Personally, I took it upon myself to play harder. We pulled together. But it was a very big scare." The 22-point loss was the worst of the season for the Bulls, who are 20-10 and considered one of the best teams in the Eastern Conference. They brought a five-game winning streak into the game. "It was about one of the poorest excuses for defense I've seen," Bulls coach Phil Jackson said. "I'm embarrassed at the way the Bulls played. We just didn't get it done." Of that, there is no dispute. Jordan was able to keep the Bulls in the game for most of the first half. He scored 20 of the Bulls' first 45 points as they took a 45-38 lead. But that's when the Rockets had the life stream back into them. From then until the end of the third quarter, they outscored Chicago 51-24. A key stretch started late in the first half. Maxwell hit a three-pointer with 35 seconds left in the second quarter to put the Rockets up 55-51. After a Cartwright miss, Buck Johnson got loose for a breakaway slam. When John Paxson missed with six seconds left in the half, Johnson again was hanging down at the offensive end for an easy basket as the Rockets closed out a 7-0 run to take a 59-51 halftime lead. When they scored 10 of the first 14 points after the intermission, they were up 69-55 and home free.
I didn't say a single "WHAT IF" on this freaking thread about the championships. This is about the Cartwright incident. Yeah, sure if it was an accident and it has happened many times where accidents end careers and seasons for other players. why is he playing then? Deke did..but Deke is a 4 time defensive player of the year. makes a difference right? I don't care about the 6 titles of the Bulls. I really don't. I don't care about the what if match ups either. I only care about letting people know what REALLY HAPPENED between the BULLS and the ROCKETS. hey Rocket fans, what if Yao got knocked out twice by Tim Thomas? what if Tim Thomas took out Yao's knee the first time and the second time put Yao in a stretcher with a broken face? yeah. that's how we fans felt about the Cartwright incident. We don't like the Bulls, and if any Bulls fans was happy that happened in the Summit, they wouldn't make it back to Chicago. Freaking Gene Peterson would have punched them!
preach on tinman these guys dont remember the pain of having to go through something like this as an 8 year old kid growing up preach on!
i dedicate this thread to the life long Rockets ONLY fans like you. A Rockets fan who's not a hypocrite who chooses not to belittle the accomplishments of the best years of the organizations. people who support the current team and insult the teams of the past by questioning what they did and their players are not fans. and youth is not an excuse. i don't remember moses or calvin, but i totally respect what they did. yoyo, we got along ways to go to be united like the laker fans. the laker fans young and old never questioned or insulted their past. magic and worthy are loved regardless of the thousands of women and hookers they slept with. Laker fans don't go around saying 'what if the rockets had a healthy sampson, we'd lose again' that's the job of the Rockets fan. They don't question Magic's 5 championships because Jordan didn't have a decent team yet. That's what the BULLS fans are suppose to do. I don't mine the Jordan manlove these fans are throwing out. But don't disrespect the Rocket Teams that whipped his butt. Don't DENY any of this ever happened. Don't make excuses. When the Rockets played the Bulls again, did they retaliate? even Maxwell didn't take out Pippen just for fun. They showed class and just smoked the Bulls and made them beef jerky. all of this happened, and i'll shove it up these geese's necks and make foie-gras
tin, though I find the tone of these threads odd, it seems a lot of the younger posters legitimately don't know the detailed history of their favorite team. I guess that's fair...I can't say I remember every unique Calvin Murphy incident either, so keep up with the history lessons...I guess. But I disagree with the above. Purposeful and damaging violence is not basketball. An elbow swinging aggressive post man WAS basketball. It wasn't just Cartwright (though he may have had a long "rap" sheet than others...I don't know and don't care to research it)...that was the way the game was played. Get a rebound, elbows up, turn step...if someone tries to poke that ball away from you, start "swinging" with the elbows. they won't try and steal the ball from you again. Was Cartwright's injury to Olajuwon purposeful and excessively damaging? Who knows. As you've so eloquently pointed out, the Rockets had a lot of those Bulls' teams number, so perhaps Cartwright was just trying to pump some life into the matchup for his teams stake...without intentionally trying to knock out Hakeem. Unless Cartwright ever says what he was thinking, we'll never know.
I appreciate Tinman giving bits of info like this. I was and still am a Barkley fan. That means when he was traded here I became a Rockets fan. I was 11 at the time and I grew up in Indiana so being a fan of a team a thousand miles away wasn't the norm. When Barkley retired I stayed and never frayed away (same thing with Steve Young and the 49ers). My career is in the sports world and therefore I am passionate about my sports teams. I wasn't a fan of the Rockets obviously when this happened and didn't know about the controversy of it. I knew of the injury didn't know it was a huge thing about it being controversial. So for the history lesson thank you tinman. However, I do have some problems with this thread and thread like it. If your intent was just to remind or teach people and say remember this ... then cool but that is obviously not the intent here. You obviously have a massive grudge against the Bulls and felt compelled to vent about it. This is evidenced by your tone in the post and the fact you made it a poll with only negative voting options. One of the other problems I have with it is the title of this part of Clutchfans is "Houston Rockets 2008: Game Action and Roster Moves." This doesn't fit in that title. As far as my opinion on this its the same as in any sport. People (except rare occasions) don't intentionally hurt people especially this seriously. As someone said flailing elbows was common place back then. Hakeem did it when someone tried to steal a rebound of his. The mistake here is that Cartwright anticipated Hakeem trying to steal it and Hakeem not only reaching in but putting his face in as well. Both players are at fault but neither were expecting or wanting this to happen (in all likelyhood). You say throwing elbows like he did isn't basketball but it is. I was taught as a kid to protect the basketball when rebounding by "clearing out." Ask anyone who played basketball what clearing out after a rebound is and they will say stick your elbows out and throw them side to side so no one can try and get the steal. It was an unlucky accident just as Yao's stress fracture is right now. Here's a good example of a bunch of unintentional hits happening: <embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6340183342668645660&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>
I believe you can talk about Hakeem, Akeem, or even Tracy Murray as it has always been stated here. Houston Rockets 2008: Game Action & Roster Moves (263 Viewing) Anything and everything about the Houston Rockets. Your comments from last night's game, potential roster moves, player quotes and pictures. Hell, the slower people in the group can even talk about ex-Rocket Tracy Murray.
heck tracy murray grew up in the same town as I did I used to run into him at the local gym of course all I asked about him was his time with the rockets. I ask him to compare shaq and Dream (this was after the 3peat in la) and he was like Shaq has more rings but Dream man he has everything else. I am not one of the slower people but I will talk about my fellow Glendora Native Tracy Murray... Heck my other Glendora native Casey Jacobsen was on the rockets for a bit too i was rooting for him to make the them that way I would have been able to hit him up for stuff. I was the first person who told him back when he was a sophomore in high school he better make it to the NBA so he can play for the rockets
you're right. if they don't know it then they shouldn't disrespect it. if you claim to know about the 1990s Bulls, you must have known about 1990s Rockets and the other teams in the NBA during that time. Just like if you are an 80s Rockets fan, you know about the other teams in that decade like the 80s Lakers and the 80s Celtics and even the 80s Hawks. if these 'younger' fans are claiming they know all about the 90s bulls, this is just part what they should already know. Unless : 1. they really don't know about the NBA, just assumptions of the Bulls destroyed every team they faced 2. Selectively forgot about the Rockets vs Bulls matchups. I'm not a Bulls fan. But I've ripped up so called "BULLS FANS" before. Yeah, some of "THEM" didn't know that Phil Jackson wasn't the coach back in the day. They didn't know Doug Collins. They didn't know Orlando Woolridge or Dave Corzine. They don't know the Jordan Rules. They don't know about his fued with Isiah Thomas. (Oh coincidently Isiah got knocked out by Cartwright twice also) and left off the Olympics. They don't know that early Jordan was not better than later Jordan. Early Jordan was more athletic, but older Jordan was more physical and a better shooter. I could go and on cause I know more than these fake fans. But the point here i'm making is the same point that a Laker fan would make about the Celtics or vice versa. A new Laker fan must understand that they didn't like those guys. This is like explaining to new Rocket fans about the Utah Jazz. Though we never play the Bulls cause of the conferences, we didn't like those guys. Doesn't mean we don't like Jordan. Just means, Rocket fans remember that 'incident' and we were not happy about it. in fact we were pissed. So when some clowns claiming they are Rocket fans throw their arms around the Bulls like they are Jessica Simpson, they don't know chicken from tuna about the NBA. As the great Rudy T said at the beginning of the Clutch City Video "I walk around town and i see kids wearing Chicago Bulls jerseys, the kids in Houston should love the Houston Rockets"
