Kind of like what we saw in the last Democratic administration that left us with a budget surplus? An administration that the current administration has borrowed quite heavily? PS Refman, I'm not attacking you or your post; you are one of the more respected posters here. Just making a point.
Give me a break. Really? Of course, you ignore the fact that municipalities generally run their own water treatment facilities, not the Feds. There is so much pushing of paper and government forms for every damned thing that if we really could find a way to eliminate a good amount of the administrative costs, we could really get good things accomplished without the need for additional or burdensome taxation.
2M is a lot of ****tards. . [rquoter] Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama's spending in 'tea-party' demonstration By Mail Foreign Service Last updated at 9:39 PM on 12th September 2009 Up to two million people marched to the U.S. Capitol today, carrying signs with slogans such as "Obamacare makes me sick" as they protested the president's health care plan and what they say is out-of-control spending. The line of protesters spread across Pennsylvania Avenue for blocks, all the way to the capitol, according to the Washington Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency. People were chanting "enough, enough" and "We the People." Others yelled "You lie, you lie!" and "Pelosi has to go," referring to California congresswoman Nancy Pelosi. Tens of thousands of people converged on Capitol Hill on Saturday to protest against government spending Demonstrators waved U.S. flags and held signs reading "Go Green Recycle Congress" and "I'm Not Your ATM." Men wore colonial costumes as they listened to speakers who warned of "judgment day" - Election Day 2010. Richard Brigle, 57, a Vietnam War veteran and former Teamster, came from Michigan. He said health care needs to be reformed - but not according to President Barack Obama's plan. "My grandkids are going to be paying for this. It's going to cost too much money that we don't have," he said while marching, bracing himself with a wooden cane as he walked. FreedomWorks Foundation, a conservative organization led by former House of Representatives Majority Leader Dick Armey, organized several groups from across the country for what they billed as a "March on Washington." Organizers say they built on momentum from the April "tea party" demonstrations held nationwide to protest tax policies, along with growing resentment over the economic stimulus packages and bank bailouts. US President Barack Obama sports a mustache famously worn by German dictator Adolf Hitler Demonstrators hold up banners on Capitol Hill in Washington on Saturday Many protesters said they paid their own way to the event - an ethic they believe should be applied to the government. They say unchecked spending on things like a government-run health insurance option could increase inflation and lead to economic ruin. Terri Hall, 45, of Florida, said she felt compelled to become political for the first time this year because she was upset by government spending. "Our government has lost sight of the powers they were granted," she said. She added that the deficit spending was out of control, and said she thought it was putting the country at risk. Anna Hayes, 58, a nurse from Fairfax County, stood on the Mall in 1981 for Reagan's inauguration. "The same people were celebrating freedom," she said. "The president was fighting for the people then. I remember those years very well and fondly." Saying she was worried about "Obamacare," Hayes explained: "This is the first rally I've been to that demonstrates against something, the first in my life. I just couldn't stay home anymore." The heated demonstrations were organized by a Conservative group called the Tea Party Patriots Like countless others at the rally, Joan Wright, 78, of Ocean Pines, Md., sounded angry. "I'm not taking this crap anymore," said Wright, who came by bus to Washington with 150 like-minded residents of Maryland's Eastern Shore. "I don't like the health-care [plan]. I don't like the czars. And I don't like the elitists telling us what we should do or eat." Republican lawmakers also supported the rally. "Republicans, Democrats and independents are stepping up and demanding we put our fiscal house in order," Rep. Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said. "I think the overriding message after years of borrowing, spending and bailouts is enough is enough." Other sponsors of the rally include the Heartland Institute, Americans for Tax Reform and the Ayn Rand Center for Individuals Rights. Recent polls illustrate how difficult recent weeks have been for a president who, besides tackling health care, has been battling to end a devastatingly deep recession. Fifty percent approve and 49 percent disapprove of the overall job he is doing as president, compared to July, when those approving his performance clearly outnumbered those who were unhappy with it, 55 percent to 42 percent. Just 42 percent approve of the president's work on the high-profile health issue. The poll was taken over five days just before Obama's speech to Congress. That speech reflected Obama's determination to push ahead despite growing obstacles. "I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than to improve it," Obama said on Wednesday night. "I won't stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we'll call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution." Prior to Obama's speech before Congress U.S. Capitol Police arrested a man they say tried to get into a secure area near the Capitol with a gun in his car as President Barack Obama was speaking. Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Thursday that 28-year-old Joshua Bowman of suburban Falls Church, Virginia, was arrested around 8 p.m. Wednesday when Obama was due to speak. 'Parasite-in-chief': The title given to the American President during the demonstrations on Saturday Bowman's intentions were unclear, police said. Today's protests imitated the original Boston Tea Party of 1773, when colonists threw three shiploads of taxed tea into Boston Harbour in protest against the British government under the slogan 'No taxation without representation'. The group first began rising to prominence in April, when the governor of Texas threatened to secede from the union in protest against government spending. Waves of tea party protests have crossed America since. Today's rally, the largest grouping of fiscal conservatives to march on Washington, comes on the heels of heated town halls held during the congressional August recess when some Democratic lawmakers were confronted, disrupted and shouted down by angry protestors who oppose President Obama's plan to overhaul the health care system. [/rquoter]
Just because they may hate Obama no matter what doesn't mean what they say on the surface is wrong. Protesting the actions of the government and the federal reserve this last year is a very legitimate cause. So far all its done is take our tax payers and make the bankers on wall street lots and lots of money. Meanwhile the rest of the country has 10% unemployment. Nothing has changed in the fundamentals of the economy which is the root of the problem. The big banks have bought off the govt. and are raping us in broad daylight and all we do is bicker about who has an R or D next to their name while pretending like it makes a difference.
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No, it's mainstream. A slim slice would be a bunch of dudes who sit on a team specific basketball website debating politics and religion that label people pissed about a government that's failed them for 9+ years in the interest of the military industrial complex, big oil, corruption, loss of personal liberties in the name of 'terrorism', wasteful government spending and politics as usual as somehow unAmerican. It goes beyond what is defined as 'republican' or 'democrat.'
Stop it! Yer killin' me! Did you go basso? Yes, I'm sure the liberal media is just holding tea partiers down! LOL!!!
that seems to be the complaint that many have with respect to health insurance companies, except the forms are from these private entities, not government.
Just for you basso Late Crowd Size Update: And it begins. The DC Fire Department has issued an unofficial estimate of 60,000 to 70,000 people in attendance, which is smallish by big DC protest/event standards but definitely respectable. Meanwhile, organizers and various participants are claiming one or two million have shown up but that the numbers are being suppressed by pro-Obama media, etc.
I don't necessarily agree with them politically, but the tri-corner hats and patriotic leis are kind of cool: would be nice for Fourth of July. And good pic by the Times. Civil protests, equally the most enjoyable and least productive part of democracy.
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65,000 to 70,000 is NOT a large protest, especially for the amount of build up and attention leading up to this event. If I were an organizer I would be mildly disappointed..... I am sure Fox will pump it up as "millions" and MSNBC will say it was "a few thousand".... but I do not think that this protest really helped the anti-healthcare cadre.
I see these photos and I just think "not helpful." Why assail the guy because you disagree with him and his policies? The racists are easily explained. They are asshats. The rest of them should really listen, assemble the information, and if they disagree they can campaign for somebody they like better next time. When I see the sniping and hysteria, I become gravely concerned about the long term prognosis for our nation.
