I understand the concept of being tried for your crimes in the same city that the offense was created, but it's going to be a security nightmare. I am sure there is at least one NY resident who wouldn't mind blowing up the courthouse to get revenge on the 9/11 attackers, even if it means injuring innocents. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091114/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_guantanamo_us_trial
Why is it a security nightmare? That's the kind of thing that p***y-ass red state congressional republicans say to scare people. This is NYC. We've tried WTC bombers here before, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef and Omar Abdul Rahmen, among others, were tried at Foley Square, just like any other criminal in S.D.N.Y. This is nothing new, we are more than capable of handling this situation. If you think it's easy busting somebody out of the MCC you should try it sometime.
After last year's courthouse bombing in CA, I have lost confidence in federal courthouse security, especially in a crowded city like NYC.
I sure hope you've never talked about soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan being able to win the war using the term "we." We are winning in Iraq? I'm sure you've said that somewhere.
How many bombings during the first WTC terrorist trials? As a member of the bar of United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, I stand ready to assist the District in its work whenever the call shall be issued, to honor the oath I have sworn. I trained very heavily this morning at the gym, hence my early rising/posting.
The "message" should be to minimize the "terror" of terrorism; that all the "Death To America" rhetoric and covert planning still just adds up to just another prosecutable crime. You want to marginalize the perpetrators and make them seem less powerful after the fact since the galvanizing of American resolve has already been milked of all it's benefits. (and wasted?) The heroes of the Islamic extremist are now just criminals in the same straits as any other murders.
Exactly. Like Ramzi Yousef, they'll be wearing orange jumpsuits and living in the ****hole that is the MCC like John Gotti, Bernie Madoff, and thousands before them.
I forgot that somebody was able to set off a bomb in Time Square in front of the Armed Forces career center, last year. It doesn't inspire confidence in security, when people are able to set off bombs in Time Square.
Yeah, what p*****s. Lets try them and punish them. I suspect strongly they will be executed. Should have been done about 7 years ago. Bush and gang never wanted to do it. They always wanted a festering wound so they could use it politically. What a disgrace for them to do so.
i would consider NYC and DC the most prepared and the most secure for any type of trial of this magnitude. the Times Square bombing was an isolated incident in the middle of the night by a bicyclist.
As long as there is freedom from unwarranted search and seizure, you will have folks who can manipulate the system to unscrupulous goals. Its just one of the inherent issues a free society has to deal with. You could think a person's jacket doesnt look quite right, and open it up to reveal a bomb, disarm it, and try them in a court. You will lose for not having a warrant or probable cause to search them. You would just have your "gut" feeling that something did not look right about the person's jacket.
[rquoter] As Ronald Dworkin has argued, what it meant to take rights seriously is that one will honor them even when there is significant social cost in doing so. If protecting freedom of speech, the rights of criminal defendants, or any other parts of the Bill of Rights were always (or even most of the time) clearly costless to the society as a whole, it would truly be impossible to understand why they would be as controversial as they are. [/rquoter] source
security is a non-issue, frankly (and i'm not sure if by "security" folx are worried about KSM's security or NYC's). my concern is about the trial itself. much of the evidence, which the defense will argue was coerced, will likely be inadmissible. has Obama thought about an exit strategy? what happens if KSM is acquitted? stranger things have happened (OJ). is Obama actually contemplating letting him go? New York can handle KSM. what we can't handle is a holier-than-thou presidebt, who has let his own naivete Trump (something we understand well in NY) reason, and ultimately justice, unless of course, you're inclined to believe that a free KSM serves the "most exacting demands" thereof.
If the evidence is thrown out for coercion and these guys are ruled not guilty, there will be a 2nd security concern. There could be race riots like Los Angeles after Rodney King. Anybody that looks middle eastern even if they aren't muslim would have to worry about mob violence.
