Profit? The freakin goverment can print as much money as they want - there is no need to risk their entire existence for 500 million dollars. That's just silly. Control center: Again completely uncompelling and smells of extreme paranoia. Why not cordone it off and clean it out? No doubt the government could do that, right? Why would the control center possibly need to be next door to the WTC twin towers? They could control everything from a backroom at Langley, right? I hear you. The problem is two-fold. 1. Your impression that your 'betters' are calling this into question and 2. That at some point this becomes like numerology - when you start to add up little discrepancies and then put them together and claim its a larger conspiracy you really are 'making a mountain out of a mole hill.' You head says 'hey there are all these inconsistencies' and screams 'conspiracy!!!' But the truth is not close to that - there are different statements, mistakes, and really smart people trying too hard to be too smart and get noticed. Is there a possibility that the government is trying hard to cover up the fact that they SHOULD have been able to prevent 9/11 but that they didn't recognize the signs/take it seriously enough/devote enough resources to it/react quick enough? Yes, that is absolutely a possibility. Is there any chance those weren't Saudi nationals flying into WTC buildings, that the government actually blew the buildings up - whether it be the WTC 7 or the Pentagon? No.
Uh....WOW, buildings collapsing look alike - it must be a conspiracy. It took them months to haul away the debris.
That's just speculation as to why they would want that specific building torn down, obviously we wouldn't know the real reason why so people can just speculate. And again, the collapse of building 7 was not a big deal in the media, it was almost as if they didn't want that much attention being paid to that part of the story. I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly or not, but the SEC used their space as storage for documents pertaining to cases they were building against some Wall Street companies. The Mayor's office moved their head quarters from that space to another a few weeks before the attack. Both of those deals are documented in articles from legit news sources. If you read the OFFICIAL reason as to why that building fell it is not believable at all, a fire cannot cause a building like that to collapse, especially not if it was only burning for a couple of hours and collapse the way it did with witnesses claiming to hear blasts and several news stories with witnesses and emergency workers at the scene saying that the building was "pulled". The Twin Towers, fine, I can believe that they collapsed because of the planes and the subsequent fires, but, the collapse of building 7 is the reason why I can't believe the government's official story, even though everything in the conspiracy theories relating to the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and Flight 93 are hard to believe as well. The owner of those buildings bought new insurance policies on the world trade center, as the conspiracy is explained the reason he did that was because he had prior knowledge of the attacks. The profit he made with the claims is what he PERSONALLY gained, the governement gained much more from it. Again, read up on both sides of the issue, don't just dismiss it without any kind of investigation. Don't be so short sighted, that was just an immediate gain, the long term gain was in the form of support for the exchange of liberties for security and support for a war on Iraq, and any other Arab nation in the Middle East. And other things that I might remember later... Or so the conspiracy says... How am I supposed to KNOW? There's a lot more evidence out there than what I can provide off hand, so if you want more information on why millions of other Americans are starting to doubt the official 9-11 story I suggest you look for it, or at the very least stop being condescending.
Hayes sounding like Acehigh, it must be a conspiracy. Do some research on what the opponents of the official story are saying. Somewhere inbetween their theories and the official story is where the truth lies. Will we ever know the real truth, probably not.
I see you haven't read the book, I will gladly send you a copy, just email me. Is there a possibility that a terrorist network that was infiltrated by the CIA since the Alfhanistan war, trained by the CIA in Bosnia and monitored heavily by the CIA, FBI, and NSA since 1980, even to the point that the FBI was tracking and intercepting their communications all throughout Florida, Arizona, Minn. and all points in between, a group of that terrorist cell being CIA assets previously; could make the U.S. intelligence community and military defense systems look like dumbed down stupid fools failing in ever aspect of security even after Russian intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, German intelligence all gave prior notification of their plans and dates to the said U.S. intelligence; and then this small Arab group huddled in a cave in the middle east was able to give precise timing to remove the fighter squadron that guarded NYC and Washington which has an intercept time of a highjacked jet of less than four minutes down pat after months of training in regular simulated exercises and at the exact same precise time have the back up squadron of fighter jets flying out on another exercise over the western Atlantic and this Arab group was also able to precisely time 3 other separate hijacking 'practice-exercises' where the FAA across the NE United States had their screens under military control because of all the false blips from these same practice exercises for approx. 30 minutes- during the actual events of the morning of 9-11. And although regularly during routine exercises fighter jets can scramble and intercept a highjacked plane heading anywhere near NYC within 5 min., none were scrambled for 20 minutes after acknowledgment of the second plane's highjacking in violation and failure of every security procedure and previous exercise ever carried out. And these same terrorists knew all about this even though every one of these military exercises had the highest security classification on that morning and the only possible way that FAA and NORAD procedures could possibly be compromised was for the same terrorists to have infiltrated the U.S. security system at the level of NORAD military commander in charge. And that it is documented that VP Cheney was in a bunker and had personal partnership with NORAD command over these exercises that morning on 9-11. And this Arab terrorist group compromised U.S. security so easily without any detection or prior knowledge by said U.S. intelligence that within just a few hours the White House issued statements knowing who did it, and where to go find them. The FBI knew what strip clubs these 'fundementalist terrorists' were drinking in the night of 9-10, possessed prior knowledge of their operation, field agents did a superb job of assessment and then the threat was carried out like the entire U.S. intelligence community had brain freeze for 3 hours that morning? Osama Bin Laden is the engineer, physicist, magician, prophet, military genius, brilliant strategist, and supreme mission impossible team leader. We are the ugly, stupid Americans who don't do one thing right the morning the 11th of Sept. 2001 when we needed it all to go as our military and intelligence community have so thoroughly trained and prepared. Yes there is a possibility, yes all of the insider training the night before was a coincidence, yes the prior warning by operative Veerland was debunked easily, yes eveyone was told to evacuate WTC7 because it was being pulled (that is documented by the fire department) yes everyone got out of WTC 7 at the proper time and then and only then did it crumble so well to the ground in its own footprint (a marvelous engineering feat that can only be accomplished by engineered demolition) Yes there is much much more in the book, Crossing the Rubicon, so much you want to throw up after reading all 650 pages and yes there is a possibility that the stars were aligned and all the coincidences, cover-ups, and lies are just 'bloopers' until you read that book, then you lose hope of all that. At least I did. I went from friendly pastor to 'wacko' . No way high people in our govt. would stoop so low to allow such tragedy so that we could go to war in the middle east, just no way any politician could be that cold and heartless. NO WAY. I would never think men could be that heartless calculated and cruel. NEVER Until I read that book and got an upset stomach. It is so sickening to even think that way; that the only logical and human answer is all of that stuff is just conspiracy theory wacko alien extreme fringe goofy nonsense. Another black helicopter crashing..... Email me. BTW- nothing will ever be proven other than the offical story on 9-11 so realize we are just having fun and wasting time in this thread.
Great post rhester. It's also interesting to note that 5 executives from Raytheon's UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) program wind up being on the flight manifests of 3 of the 4 planes that "allegedly" went down that day. Hmmm.....
So an alliance of Wall Street firms soon to be under indictment, the government (even though the SEC is part of the government and against Wall Street in this scenario), and a real estate mogul executed 9/11... alrighty then...
Don't be a scrub, I already told you that I didn't KNOW why, none of the conspiracy theorists KNOW why either, all they can do is speculate based on the information available. Why do they speculate? Because the official explanation of 9-11 is full of holes, it's obvious that they're not being truthful to the American people, (even now with this new video it has been reported that the Pentagon decided to cut a few frames before it's release) that leads to people being suspicious, they ask why and like the naturally curious people that we all are, they try and figure it out on their own. Inevitably, those kinds of investigations lead to some wild theories that might be hard for any of us to swallow, but in the end, the reason WHY can never be proven with any certainty, and it doesn't have to be.
I understand what you're saying. As I've said already in this thread, if you think the official explanation is lacking I understand that - if you think the government is presenting a rose colored version of the events to cover their incompetance, I understand that - it might be very likely. If you're going from that point, however, and jumping into the 'government cabal participated in it' arena then I don't understand that. It is just silly, IMO.
Ahem. O RLY? BTW, wasn't there video footage from a gas station and a hotel that were collected immediately afterwards? Why weren't those released?
I've been wondering about this myself, if the government has nothing to hide then release these tapes
