So let me get this straight. We freak out that immigrants coming here and having babies are poor. We freak out that immigrants coming here and having babies are rich, as noted in the posts about well off Chinese coming here and having babies. So essentially it doesn't matter whether rich or poor this is about keeping immigrants and there babies out.
I posted in another thread that the anchor baby issue as far as illegal immigrants are concerned isn't an issue. To summarize, the parents of the child can still be deported and the minor child along with them. When the child turns 21 they have the right of return that is subject to the State Dept. approval.
Exactly. We're going to have to secure our Southern border. It's not an appealing thing to do, but it's necessary. We simply cannot continue absorbing so many poor people. We're running out of the resources to properly do that. I'm not saying our economy and deficit are solely because of mass immigration. No, larger causes are un-winnable wars, tax cuts for the top 1%, losing our manufacturing, but we have to start somewhere and it might as well be reducing illegal immigration.
To the extent that illegal immigrants send a lot of money back to their home countries that helps alleviate poverty and over the long run can help to bring their standard of living closer to ours.
Pretty much all babies are like that. None of them speak a word of English, all they do are cry, eat and poop. They are really unproductive. We also need to provide things like schools for these ****ers. Honestly, illegal babies are not the problem. Babies, all of them, are the problem. The U.S. should get more adult immigrants and ship babies out to other countries where they can be raised more cheaply. Same thing with old people. Ship them out to the Phillipines, China, or Nicaragua to be taken care of by cheaper caretakers.
And what about the resources they put into our economy? If illegal immigrants were just here to leach off of our social system why are they willing to work crappy jobs for low wages?
That may be true to an extent that it helps the standard of living for the families who are fortunate enough to receive the cash, but it will never bring another country's sol up to ours and it won't solve the real reason why 3rd world countries are the way they are which is blatantly corrupt government officials and an unskilled workforce.
If 8% of your new population growth (ignoring immigration) is coming from people who aren't supposed to be here, I can foresee all sorts of potential problems. Keep in mind there are different tiers here - there are babies of illegal immigrants; babies of legal immigrants; babies of immigrants who became citizens; babies of one illegal immigrant plus a citizen, etc. While I see the value in this, I disagree that policy should be designed to keep an influx of people to support Social Security. I would suggest a more logical solution is to fix Social Security to be properly sustainable. I don't support changing the 14th Amendment at this point. However, I don't think the immigration issue should be combined with Social Security. They are separate issues with separate problems that require separate solutions.
Most people who are rich are not illegal because in our system it is not really hard to come here if you are rich or educated. I mean get a 90 day Visa and come here for a baby. Not hard.
rizona actually has harsh penalties for employers right now - passed in 2007. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17764997&ft=1&f=1001) I'd be curious to see how that affected Arizona in general. Overall, I think it's a good strategy. However, part of the problem is that it really focuses on a subsegment of illegal immigrants. It doesn't touch the criminals and it doesn't touch the ones with fake documents. If anything, it will just encourage people to get fake documents, though at least that forces them into the legitimate tax system/etc.
They're all citizens. I don't see the problem. Aren't citizens supposed to be able to live in their own country?
The immigration issue is not black or white. I mean if we are kicking out immigrants for being unproductive, which many are, why not kick out all of the unproductive people from America. I mean there are a ton of white and black people that rape the resources of this country. What are we doing to stop that? Sure let's blame the immigrants, but without immigration in general we would not have as many engineers, doctors nor nurses. The REAL problem is America is okay with poverty. America is too satisfied having poor people leech off of it. I know there are hard working poor people, but more often than not, poor people just don't care to better themselves. Have you guys ever seen that study which says that people who work more, earn more money. Its not rocket science. The reason why illegal immigrants come to this country, is because there country doesn't offer the same opportunities. But its also because Americans take everything for granted and a large majority are satisfied with being poor. Just a quick story. Im a college student in my senior year. I work at Dominos as an assistant manager to pay my school. Sometimes I go on delivery. On one occasion I go to these apartment on Winkler, the east side of houston if you guys know that area, the apartments there are trashy. A lot of illegal people live there. So I'm delivering there and as I walk out of my car there is a White lady murmuring to her kids about delivery drivers and then goes on to murmur to them, "Fu**en wetbacks", referring to me. I look to retaliate and go off on this lady and then I look around at where she lives. Her kids don't have a place to play, no grass. She speaks english and is legal, what is she doing living in an area with nothing but immigrants? I didn't say a word. All I thought was, this is what's wrong with America.
Why put the onus solely on private businesses? If the govt has the time and resources to go after said companies then spend that on securing the borders.
agree. someone has to pay for my social security. the taxable population percentage is going to start (or has already?) decreasing drastically.
good point. I often see a Latino by the road (high possibility of being illegal) selling oranges and basically hustling his ass off to make enough food to eat. Right next to him is some white or black guy with a "give me $$" sign. I know it's not fair to judge people on such a first impression, but it does beg the question of who is actually more productive to American society? The illegal workers looking for work outside of Home Depot? Or the drunk "American" panhandler. I rarely ever see any Latino panhandlers.
