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[7seconds or mess] Analysis of faulty entry passes to Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bugerking3, May 8, 2009.

  1. shortfuse3

    shortfuse3 Member

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    this is bull. we don't live and die by Yao. we are actually fairly efficient when he is not on the court. we play at a faster pace and get better looks at the basket. are we horrid offensively when Yao is fronted? yes, but throwing him risky passes that are sure turnovers is not the answer.
     
  2. Shroopy2

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    The most noticeable part of all these articles is how points per shot and points per possession is getting mentioned more and more. Starting to become a bigger deal...


    Simple,
    Rafer and McGrady passing >> Artest and Brooks passing
     
  3. real_egal

    real_egal Member

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    The last time Rockets teammates threw lob passes to Yao Ming were on Apr 28, 2009, during the 5th game in playoff round 1, in Portland. To be exact, first lob pass was thrown by Battier with 1 minute 14 seconds left in the second quarter. Yao caught it and made the hook shot, caused a shooting foul of LMA, and made the free throw as well. 23 seconds later, Artest threw Yao another lob pass, surprisingly, Yao caught it again and followed with a dunk.

    To answer your question, that was the last time teammates threw lob passes to Yao, and Yao transformed 2 lob passes to 5 points within 24 seconds. Not so surprisingly, the next four possessions were AB's offensive foul, AB's missed 3 point, Scola's turnover, and AB's turnover. Search for game video or play-by-play to convince yourself.

    Again, same advise I've been given out to your colleagues - never let facts stand in your way.
     
  4. WeMissDekeMan

    WeMissDekeMan Rookie

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    Question for you Real_egal. Would you say Yao Ming is the best center in the NBA or ahead of Howard?

    And also, Would you say It's more so Brooks fault if it's anybody and would you rather have Brooks or Lowry starting for the Point guard position?
     
  5. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    I guess yall didn't see the lob that yao caught, brought down to his waist and got stripped? So if u want to throw yao a lob, good luck with that one.
     
  6. real_egal

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    Honestly, it doesn't really matter, even if Yao's No. 10 center in the league, if he's the most efficient scorer, we should try to involve him more in offense. It's not about Yao, it's about the team, what's more efficient and more successful, not what's EASIER. Yes, going 1 on 5 is a lot more easier than trying to pass to Yao, heck it's easier than passing to anyone.

    I believe Lowry is much better PG material than AB. However, at this point, it's meaningless to discuss who should start. The line up won't change. AB does have his strength too.

    However, I am really tired of the double standard. When AB was criticized, the same crowd will jump out right away - Yao has to share blame; AB is young and learning; have you seen Dream play? Duh, Yao is not righteous. The last and only righteous man was Jesus. But AB isn't mother Teressa either, he had so many holes in his game, and some of them are impacting our games greatly. When Yao got called all kinds of names from trash, to p***y, to tofu, or whatever, have you ever seen those same crowd coming out defending Yao, who was so worried about loving players? No. Why? Yao is an unlawful son, everything is fair game.
     
  7. TXRoxBBall

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    Enough with Yao catching a lob, it ain't worth the risk.
     
  8. real_egal

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    After this year's playoff run, no matter of the outcome, trade Yao. Period. Even we win it all, still trade him, coz he was just lucky to be on the bandwagon.

    BTW, I watched Dream play, and Yao is no Dream. You don't need to remind me.
     
  9. spookyoldtree

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    Yeah. the bandwagon of who, you dumb azz?
     
  10. yaodynasty

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    See the Big Guy? Give Him the Ball.

    Just saw this on ESPN's site. Not sure someone already posted it. Take a look at the video.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-40-37/See-the-Big-Guy--Give-Him-the-Ball-.html

    See the Big Guy? Give Him the Ball.

    May 8, 2009 10:51 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRlK...ve-Him-the-Ball-.html&feature=player_embedded

    Yao MingYao Ming has been an offensive machine in these playoffs. In eight games against all manner of nasty defense -- he's always the focal point and hardly fast breaks, and so gets few easy buckets -- he's shooting 57% from the field and 93% from the line.

    When he catches it near the hoop, the likelihood of Rocket points of one kind or another -- some Rocket will get a good look and/or a foul -- is astronomically high.

    So, how is it possible that in Game 2 he only took four shots -- two of which were putbacks? Isn't the mission to get Yao the ball? How hard can that be?

    Video blogger Gian Casimiro, of Seven Seconds or Mess, has done a little work to find answers. And he found some clear examples moments Yao had position to die for, but his teammates like Aaron Brooks, Ron Artest or Shane Battier simply didn't make the pass.

    In his Game 3 scouting report, David Thorpe has more ideas about how the Rockets can use Yao Ming more effectively.

    The Lakers defended Yao much better in Game 2, fronting him more in the low post and sending Lamar Odom into the ball-side box near Yao whenever the ball handler crossed below the free throw line (which is normally where they'll feed Yao). It effectively bottled up Yao. Houston can try passing down to Yao from above the line, before Odom comes over, if Yao can keep Gasol behind him. If not, Houston could put Luis Scola in more threatening spots on the weak side, hoping to keep Odom closer to home. Or they can pop Yao out to run side pick-and-pops, possibly opening up driving lanes for Brooks.

    (Photo by Harry How, Getty Images Sport)
     
  11. PointForward

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    OMFG..

    is this the new cool thing to write about these days? and do these idiot writers watch the games before echoing what Doug Collins told them during the telecast?

    Yao NEEDS to establish position before he gets the ball. It's not Brooks' job, it's not Artest's job, it's not Adelman's job, it's not the ballboy's job, it's Yao's FREAKING job to stand his ground and maintain position until the pass is made.. and by establish position, I DON'T mean allow Gasol to go around you and strip the ball likes what I saw today..

    gosh.. despite my mad love for Yao, I'm starting to feel like having him on this team is more of a burden than a blessing..
     
  12. WhoMikeJames

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    Get the ball to Yao, so he can turn it over or miss a dunk/layup?

    He can't even establish position. I'm so fed up with Yao... Ugh.
     
  13. iconoclastic

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    Um he did a good job of sealing off the fronter tonight. Yao was also aggressive going for the dunk every time he had a chance instead of a weak layup. It's just that Kobe made great plays blocking the ball. You tip your hat to great defensive plays sometimes. If Yao is not injured and keeps playing this well we have a chance to win.
     
  14. jkckwong

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    In those video demonstrations, the ball had never been passed to Yao. How could he catch it?
     
  15. wireonfire

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    Great vid and analysis. I saw all those plays last game too, especially the first three. AB and Artest suck at passing to Yao.

    Wish Yao and Adelman can show them the vid.
     
  16. krockets

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    You got to wake up man, if we want to be a championship team, we do live and die by Yao. We are a fairly efficient average team when Yao is not on the court, but if we want to take it to the next level, we need Yao...

    Passing to Yao is not an easy task, because teams double and triple team him all the time, and their priority is trying to avoid Yao touch the ball... If a team sending 2-3 guys guarding a player that way, you should know how good Yao is... Plus, every pass is risky by its own standard, how do you judge which one is risk enough to not pass the ball? If you look at the team's point by possession when Yao touches the ball, it's surely higher than when he is not touching it..
     

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