do you honestly believe jeb putzier was unable to beat out a rookie TE because of david carr? do you also think eric moulds was released for non salary cap reasons because of david carr? the rest of your statement is silly hyperbole.
You don't think Indy wins because of Manning? Or the Patriots don't win because of Brady? By this standard, we could just put anyone at QB. Why not then just cut Carr and save $12 million in cap room the next two years? You can win with Sage or Quincy Carter or Tim Couch or any number of other failures of QB's. And they don't cost $8MM a year.
I think Owen Daniels beat our Putz because he was pretty good. And I have no idea why Moulds was released, except that possibly the organization is still stupid and linked to Carr. Given that Moulds has now publically criticized Carr, maybe friction there had something to do with it. Who really knows. What I know is that you need to quit blaming everyone for Carr sucking. Now in addition to the former GM, former coaches, O-Line, running game, and former receivers, you've added this year's receivers. I wonder who will be next. Apparently, that "irresponsible speculation" that many of us called "common sense" was, well, common sense and is now public.
no team wins because of an individual. the colts start five former first round picks (plus manning); manning's WRs, LT, C, offensive coordinator and head coach have all been together since 2002 (i believe that's right; perhaps 2001 - i can't remember when dungy was brought in). brady plays for, with very little debate, the best coach in all of football who has devised a system that maximizes the team's strengths and covers up its weaknesses, which is why, when patriots fly the coup, they very often fail. no individual is bigger than the team.
Gotta disagree with you here. 8-8 would have been nice but it wouldn't have silenced anyone about Carr. Some of those 6 wins were in spite of David Carr. It might have gotten louder than it is..."With X we could have won 9 or 10 games."
The team is a composite of the individuals. If the Colts don't have Manning this year, they don't win the Superbowl. Same with the Patriots and Brady the last few years. Of course you need OTHER players too, but you put Quincy Carter on the Colts, and they will suck. I love this new excuse for Carr. Now, we can win with a great defense, great running game, great O-Line, so why upgrade the QB?
so putzier apparently wasn't "pretty good." then grab a paper. from today's chronicle: now, you wanna talk about reading between the lines... quote, please, in which he criticizes carr, which, even if true, would be truly groundbreaking. usually when players are released for performance issues, they go out quietly with a pocketful of warm memories...
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=2771987#post2771987 Robinson: <I>Texans cornerback Dunta Robinson said Wednesday night that he believes it is time for quarterback David Carr to be traded. "It's just my opinion, but I think it's that time," Robinson said. "We haven't won. I'm not saying it's David's fault, and I'm not saying he can't be a great quarterback with another team. But he's been here for five years, and the best we've been able to do is 7-9. I just think it's time for us to make some moves that'll help the Texans become a winning team." </I> Moulds: <I>Moulds said it was Carr who hindered the team's chances, saying that at some point "the quarterback has to show that he can carry (the team)."</I>
what about the games they lost in which carr played well enough for the team to win? the giants, bills and second titan game jump out. believe me, 8-8 and competitive in 80+% of the games would have silenced a lot of people. sure, he had bad games. but there were days when the team around him was god-awful (like the 11 yards rushing the managed against the jets).
hows about we focus on getting those units up to average before we start dispensing useless hyperbole.
Because I feel that 95% of QBs in the league would play similar to Carr if they had been in the same situation means that I think he's one of the top 2 QBs in the league, right now? Wow. Way to twist my words around. What I mean (and I thought would be pretty clear) is had Jake Delhomme was the Texans QB since 2002, his level of success on the Texans would be similar to Carr's. Same with guys like Jake Plummer, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Byron Leftwich, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson, Chris Simms, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Alex Smith, Trent Green, Jon Kitna, J.P. Losman, Mark Brunell, should I keep going? Just because these guys have had some sort of success on teams that didn't sport the worst OL in history doesn't mean they would've had success on the Texans. That doesn't mean I think that Carr is currently better than any one of those guys I just mentioned. It only means that I think he could've been had he been on a different team from 2002 on. I'm completely dumbfounded that some of you don't get this. Some of you act like playing behind the worst OL in history isn't a big part of why David Carr played the way he has. Once again, for the 8,000th time, I want Carr gone. I think the chances of him succeeding in Houston are somewhere between slim and none. I think he has somewhat of a chance to become a successful QB in this league if he's put in the right situation (i.e. not behind the worst OL in history for four straight seasons). And msn, the running game took a major step backwards for a big part of last season.
Twisting words? You said EXACTLY that: msn: ...to its logical end, are you saying that DC is as good as or better than 95% of the QBs in the league? you: Well, honestly, yes. ??
thanks for linking to a 23-page thread; i'll jump in and take a look next time i have a few 12 hours to kill... did moulds actually make the comment to an actual media source? there was no quote from oulds in this morning piece about his release. as for robinson, i saw his comments this morning, and, frankly, he needs to focus on his play, which has been in steady decline since his rookie season. what's interesting is that i'd argue a significant reason for that decline is that the team around him has gotten worse - the secondary is awful, the pass rush non-existent and he's suffering for it. but, of course, those are "excuses" - he really just sucks.
Had you read the rest of that post, or any other post in this thread, you'd know exactly what I meant. Either I misread his question or misworded my response. I certainly don't believe that he's better than 95% of the QBs in the league. I think he's similarly talented and think he would be just as successful as 95% of them had their situations been reversed.
Lopez, in the chronicle.... In a parting shot, Moulds spoke Wednesday about what he felt limited this team's chances to succeed last season. The Texans won six games in 2006. Two more wins would have had the club on the brink of the playoffs. Moulds said it was Carr who hindered the team's chances, saying that at some point "the quarterback has to show that he can carry (the team)." Those kinds of words should speak volumes to Kubiak and Smith. ------------------- Was moulds acquired for a 5th before or after kubiak came?
Halfway down Page 23. LOL. So, after claiming for pages and pages of a thread that Carr hadn't lost the team and that it was totally irresponsible to argue that players might think badly of Carr, when two players publically come out against Carr, you shoot the messenger, saying he's not very good and should just shut up. Awesome. Teflon-Carr.
additionally, if they have manning but ron dayne and wali lundy instead of joseph addai and domanic rhodes, andre johnson and eric moulds instead of marvin harrison and reggie wayne, owen daniels instead of dallas clark, the texans' OL instead of the colts' OL, they don't win the super bowl. manning is certainly a big part of the team's success; but far from the only part. he's currently playing with hall-of-fame (harrison and saturday) and/or all-pro (wayne, clark, glenn) level talent.
OK, here's the newest quote. You think he's similarly talented to 95% of the QBs. Am I reading that correctly? So that would mean there are only 2 QB's more talented than Carr in the league? Let's say they are Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. You don't think McNabb, Brees, or anyone else is any more talented than Carr? Wow. I certainly think there are more than 2 QBs in the league that could have performed better than Carr on the Texans this year.
