I'd also like to add that I can see us easily getting involved in some deal. For example, Sura and our TE could easily net us Mike James in a 3-way (for you MJ lovers out there).
i was listening to 790 too...this is the article the guy was referring to, and he DID say something like "jason kidd in rocket red? it just might happen" methinks he was only saying it to stir up some sort of conversation on a fairly dead sports day
The TE can't be combined for a trade. They could take another player they don't want, possibly, to reduce salaries. I serioiusly don't see NJ taking what we could offer. Kidd is playing as well as anyone in the Eastern Conference right now, so I would expect them to only be interested in someone wanting out of somewhere else of similar magnitude, like a KG. Yes, we could send Howard, Sura, Alston and Head, plus draft picks, and take someone they don't want with our TE. Head would be the attraction, with Alston, the local playground legend signed to a good contract, and Howard providing veteran depth. But, I'm sure they'd want a few draft picks, which I'm hoping we don't throw away. There's no way that Houston would let Yao, TMac or Battier go anywhere. As far as us not WANTING Kidd, I think anyone is crazy to think Houston wouldn't WANT him, regardless of his contract, age or surgery. If we had him, we'd win the championship this year. Tmac wouldn't have to focus on playmaking, but could go back to scoring. We'd be an even more fragile team, but clearly have the best starting 4 in the NBA. But, there's no way NJ would do this ...
In before the lock . Houston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 8.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.8 minutes Rafer Alston 6-2 PG from Frenso State 13.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 36.7 minutes Bob Sura 6-5 from Florida State No games yet played in 2006/07 Kirk Snyder 6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno 4.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 16.2 minutes Incoming Jason Kidd 6-4 PG from California 14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 9.3 apg in 37.6 minutes Change in team outlook: -13.0 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and +1.6 apg. New Jersey Trade Breakdown Outgoing Jason Kidd 6-4 PG from California 14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 9.3 apg in 37.6 minutes Incoming Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 8.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.8 minutes Rafer Alston 6-2 PG from Frenso State 13.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 36.7 minutes Bob Sura 6-5 from Florida State No games yet played in 2006/07 Kirk Snyder 6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno 4.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 16.2 minutes Change in team outlook: +13.0 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and -1.6 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Houston and New Jersey being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and New Jersey had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
God. Those old max contracts were cap killers. That's what? 1/3rd of the cap to have a single player on your roster? Unbelievable. Also, as much as I'd love to see Jason Kidd running the point for us - I'd actually hate to see Juwan go at this point. (I can't believe I just said that) Juwan has been fantastic lately. It's like he finally understands his role on this team and he doesn't step outside of that role. I'm not eager to see him go anymore. At the very least, if he does go there should be another 4/5 coming to us in the deal. With Juwan traded + Yao hurt, we'd only have Deke, Hayes, Padgett and Novak as big men. And yeah, there's a reason Padgett and Novak aren't seeing the court. Maybe we can re-sign Ryan Bowen for the minimum?
Putting aside all the trade technical talks, and daydream a rocket lineup of Kidd Bonzi Tmac Battier Yao !! ok.. back to work.
please don't blast a lurker. but couldn't a team like charlotte who is under the cap get involved to facilitate the trade. therefore the salaries would not have to match.
while kidd is an obvious upgrade over rafer (and is even shooting a respectable 34.3% on almost 4 three point attempts per game), there are a few problems with trading for him. for one, we're not trading for him. secondly, he makes so damn much we'd have to give up a lot and we're not all that deep. and like someone else said, someone like juwan is helping the chemistry and fit situation a lot right now. same with luther and a few others. another problem is that with yao and tmac running so much of the offense, we're not really the place kidd can maximize his talents. now having said all that, holy crap i had no idea kidd was only 1.6 rpg and 0.6 apg from averaging a triple double this season! he may not be scoring like the Big O but if we were playing at a 1960's pace these days, i'm guessing he'd be averaging a triple double right now. even at a 1980's pace he'd be right there. and new jersey isn't even all that uptempo, or at least they weren't the last 2 years. pretty amazing he's doing this at his age.
We just need Yao, Tmac, and Kidd. How much they are making together, should be around the cap. We get rid of the rest roster, only keep Hayes, JL3, Novak and Head. Then sign a couple NBDL guys, maybe Francis to the vet min. Man, We are a dynasty for years to come.
I doubt it so much, consider the offensive treat behind the arc. No. 3 in 3pt shooting! Don't think so!
Yao for Kidd, Nets may need a wallet as big as Atlantic Ocean for the profit money coming in. Google and make sure you know the size of population with Chinese background in NY and NJ area, LA, NY, NJ would be the places want to get Yao at any price. Alexander at least trippled his fortune because of Yao, no way he will let the big man go. And Yao is starting to make MVP performance. Only an idiot will trade Yao for Kidd.
Pass on JKidd. This divorce could rip the Nets apart. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=aw-kidds011607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Hurricane Joumana By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports January 16, 2007 Adrian Wojnarowski Yahoo! Sports EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – In the locker room, the New Jersey Nets used to roar with laughter when one former Net would mumble his nickname for the wife of franchise star Jason Kidd. "Five-oh," the player called Joumana, a reference to her husband's jersey number and her perceived penchant for finding ways to clandestinely monitor Kidd and his teammates. "He'd say, 'Five-oh was out in the club with us last night,' " another player said. Across his six years with the Nets, Jason Kidd has been the face of the franchise, raising out of the rubble one of sports' historic losers. Beside him, Joumana Kidd, an ex-Budweiser model turned NBA TV gadfly, pushed for her own platform of power. She had front-row seats across from the visitor's bench at the Meadowlands, several rows in front of the rest of the players' families. The cameras loved her. After her husband, she was one of the Nets' most famous figures in Metropolitan New York. And to get Jason to re-sign with the team in 2003 over San Antonio's offer, to keep him happy, there included an understanding that it meant meeting the demands of his wife. The Nets had to bow to her whims and wishes, and as one official sighed, "We usually did." As much influence as Jason had with ownership and management, as much power he wielded with coaching and personnel matters, Joumana carried considerable clout. Now, Joumana has this franchise bracing for a firestorm of tabloid front pages and trash television coverage over what are expected to be blistering charges and allegations in her imminent divorce petition. She's retained pit bull divorce lawyer Raoul Felder. All in all, the Nets are treating Joumana like a storm about to hit shore. Around the organization, they believe Joumana plans to deliver damaging information on Jason and possibly his teammates. This could test the limits of locker room peace and the rush of a resurgent Nets season. This is going to get messier and nastier and ultimately test the staying power of this franchise. Wherever the blame rests in this marriage – and that's something between them – they've struggled to keep it from affecting Jason's workplace with New Jersey. In some ways, the Nets have survived the disruptions the couple has brought, but it's come with an escalating price within the team. The sports page is no place for sordid details of a divorce, but the Kidds have decided to let it all play out in public. The Nets will be left to sift through the wreckage. "Jason is our guy, and we're going to get dragged right through the mud with him," one Nets official said. After a sluggish start, the Nets have found a rhythm to an uneven season. They've won six of eight games and reclaimed a share of first place in the Atlantic Division. Mostly, they've been the beneficiaries of Jason's best basketball since knee surgery two years ago. "He has a mental toughness to just put everything else out of his mind and play at an elite level," team president Rod Thorn said. After missing a triple double by a rebound on Monday, Jason said, "My personal life does not come out onto the court. I try to keep (personal and private) separate." Along the way, there's been a blurring of the personal and professional with the Kidds. Once he let loose on her in his divorce petition last week, Jason lost the right to declare it a private matter. He went to great lengths to portray Joumana as a volatile, jealous and mentally unstable mother and wife. Once Joumana allegedly used their young son to rummage through Jason's locker at the Meadowlands on Dec. 27, retrieving the names and numbers of his conversations, he was moved to unleash on her in the public document. "Once she had used his own son against him like that, he just lost it," one league source close to Jason said. As the Kidd marriage dissolved in recent months, there was one Net who told people that he believed Joumana was responsible for spreading falsehood stories about his lifestyle. The players told management and friends that they believed she blamed him partly for problems within her marriage. In the end, he didn't have proof – just sharp suspicions. Yes, it sounds like a soap opera. And that's what it's been with New Jersey. It had gotten so bad with the Nets that, just two weeks ago, Thorn called every team in the league and inquired about whom they might be willing to trade for one of his stars, including Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd. As one Eastern Conference executive says, "Kidd is virtually untradeable," because of his advanced age (33), and contract ($41 million in the next two years of his contract). Nevertheless, Thorn understood how deep of a division that had been drilled into his locker room. At one point, Thorn believed the chemistry could be beyond repair. Now, he has come to believe that if the Nets can just survive the barrage of the divorce complaint and tabloid fervor, there may be a chance of salvaging the season. For now, Joumana Kidd has been banned from Continental Arena and the Nets' practice facility, and husband and wife have taken out his and her restraining orders. If nothing else, it completely changes the dynamic surrounding the franchise. In the past, she was constantly calling for meetings with Nets management, from past CEO Lou Lamoriello to Thorn, railing on everything from her husband's past coaches and teammates to the fact that the players had to clean snow off their own cars upon returning from road trips. At one time, she was a regular in the Nets' marketing meetings. Everyone had to sit and listen to her ideas. She never did get the carport constructed for players' cars at the practice facility, but she did score the players' families a lounge to use on game-days. Her front-row seat led her to tell employees that she was a great benefit to the Nets on game nights, that she served, in her own words, to "distract" other teams. How she managed to do that was cause for much conjecture in the team's offices, but now it's just down to this in Jersey: When does Hurricane Joumana hit land and what will be the damage?
i think that lineup at full health could rival the 90's bulls lineup. actually i think it might be better. geez why cant this be a perfect world and i get that. GEEZ
