78.6% of NBA GM's picked Kobe as the player they want taking the last shot

that was the point i was trying to make.

that, in their minds, he isn't the best finisher, or the best shot...but that he's somehow 'clutch.' I think he also scored best on creating your own shot -- which probably also plays into wanting him to have the ball at the end of the game...

 

So much about math, by Hollinger and his famous PER, neither Lakers nor Celtics were top 10 team last season. I am not against stats, but if the prediction based on stats is so wrong every year, maybe it's time to revise formula.

 

that list should be
1Kobe
2Wade
3Melo
4Pierce
5Durant

 

And yet, Lebron's shooting percentage on game winning shots has been higher throughout his career than Kobe's.

 

Kwame Brown's percentage is higher than Kobe too.

 

Maybe if Kobe was anywhere near as efficient offensively as Durant, Lebron, or Wade, his team wouldn't have needed all those game winning shots. He could have been sitting on the sidelines at the end of games watching his scrub teammates finish off the other team like Lebron often did.

 

Lol.

Even a messed up GM knows alot more than any fan out there.

Kobe hit like a ton of Game winners last year setting a single season record.

How many did Lebron hit last year? How many did Melo hit last year?

It's not even close.

 

Right, or sitting on a boat watching fishes in June.

Kobe was top candidate in every MVP watching before he broke his finger. Kobe should have retired last season consider a sprain finger can sit LeBron a few weeks.

 

Hollinger's power rankings have nothing to do with PER. The team rankings at the end of the season are based on scoring margins and strength of schedule. It's weighted strongly toward the more recent games.

The Lakers were ranked only 10th because they struggled at the end of the regular season, largely due to injuries. Notice that Hollinger didn't predict them to lose to OKC, even though the Thunder were ranked higher in his power rankings. Also note that for a 1 vs. 8 matchup, that series was pretty close, as the power rankings would suggest they should be.

The Celtics were ranked low because they sucked the entire second half of the season before turning it on in the playoffs. There's really no way to account for that with stats or with more subjective metrics. Even a lot of Celtics fans who watch them all the time had written the team off before the playoffs started, and that had nothing to do with the math you hate so much.

 

Even you know that Kwame versus Kobe is not a fair comparison because they are not both guys that create their final shots with the ball in their hands. Kobe and Lebron both do that, and Lebron has done it more effectively throughout his career.

 

Lebron had made more than Kobe in previous years. Perhaps you should consider looking at many years of data rather than just a single number that can fluctuate wildly from year to year.

Also note that Lebron's team was not playing as many close games, so he didn't have as many opportunities anyway.

 

Ok, Kobe had the bad finger last year. What was his excuse the year before that? And the year before that? And the year before that?

The bottom line is that Lebron and Durant were much more efficient offensively last year than Kobe has ever been in his entire career. If Kobe could play more efficiently, his team would be putting the competition away a lot earlier in regular season games, resulting in fewer opportunities for game winning shots.

 

for one I agree with the GM's

 

Not according to the GMs. To supplement the question that started this thread...here's another:

Which player is the best at getting his own shot?
1. Kobe Bryant 70.4%
2. Dwyane Wade 11.1%
3. Carmelo Anthony 7.4%
Also receiving votes:
Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City; LeBron James, Miami; Brandon Roy, Portland

The GM's disagree with you on this SF. by a big margin.

 

That criteria is also in Kobe's favor. Kobe's made more game winners than Michael Jordan.

No active player is even close to Kobe in game winners.

That has nothing to do with the question.

Lebron excels in many things but not game winners.

 

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Career percentages aside, I believe the survey intends to ask who currently is the most "clutch", at this point in time. I would also vote Kobe, he is far more experienced. However, who knows how much longer until someone else earns that title.

Also, I like the think that being "clutch" refers to the player you trust most with the ball to win the game for you, whether it be by shooting, passing, or creating in general.

 

Does a new thread really need to made for every one of these GM polls?

 

So have Vince Carter and Joe Johnson (according to the stats), two of the biggest chokers in the NBA. I suppose you want the ball in their hands over Bryant also? Maybe the GMs should vote again, since this new knowledge has come to light.

 

The GMs don't just disagree with me. The GMs disagree with objective reality. Neither Lebron nor Kobe is a guy that relies on other players to set up their shots. You give them the ball, they create their own shots. Lebron scores far more efficiently than Kobe, therefore, he is better at getting his own shot. Unless you want to start arguing that Lebron is being set up by Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson for a significant percentage of his attempts.

 

But Kobe doesn't shoot them efficiently, and that's what decides who wins more games. If Kobe has twenty games come down to the wire and he makes six game winners, how is he a better finisher than a player that takes ten game winning shots and makes four or five? Kobe hit more, but the odds of winning a game where Kobe is shooting the game winner are lower.