724,000 people arrested for mar1juana offenses last year????

Once again exposing your ignorance on the pot issue. Just like when you said EG only would have been arrested for possession if he'd been smoking while driving.

Htown could have had a joint, first offense, and done a month or more. Check the facts a little before you post absolutes like this. It's just sloppy.

The upshot is that Htown chose to change his head in a less harmful way than any beer drinker on this board and he went to jail for a month at taxpayer expense. It's not smart to get caught, but it's downright stupid that this stuff gets prosecuted.

 

Batman Jones,

No one does time the first time they are caught...NO ONE !!!

I am hardly ignorant on this, as my best friend in college is a probation officer and we talk about this all the time.

Just because the law states that you will get jail time does not make it so....most get defered adjudication and after a time on probation the case is dismissed.

But, what do I know...I only have real life experience with it, not reading from a book.

DD

 

DD, while it's certainly true that most first-charge possession cases get deferred, it's not the case with all. I'm not saying this wasn't a first offense -- I'm saying it's silly to assert he absolutely had to have "a lot" (remember the time you said EG must have had a lot and then said something like, maybe even a dime bag?)

I have plenty of real life experience on this -- I didn't get it out of a book of all things -- and you clearly don't. Knowing a probation officer hardly makes you an authority. I don't mean any offense by this, but you look silly when you make absolute assertions about something you've proven more than once you know nothing about.

 

Batman,

I know a lot more than I am willing to admit.

You can get arrested for a simply Pot Seed, but you don't do TIME for that.

You need to have either a significant amount, so as to be labled a dealer, or you need to be a habitual offender.

You do not DO TIME for having a joint, or a small amount, especially a month.

Being a friend of a probation officer is simply a small portion of my experience concerning drugs and the law.

No one does time on the first offense, unless it is a BIG BIG offense.

See Nate Newton for proof.

DD

 

Pornstars are people too.

 

DaDakota, I have a close friend who did a month for a film cannister half full of pot (an amount which is both approximately a dime bag and NOT a lot of pot by any standard) that was found in his car door compartment when he was stopped for running a stop sign. First offense. It happens. He had a clean record then aside from minor traffic stuff and he did a month. Didn't shoot off his mouth, didn't have a record for possession, the judge just felt like prosecuting the law.

I take you at your word for knowing more than you seem. You said some things in the EG thread that made it seem otherwise and you said them with such absolute conviction it seemed kind of silly, but whatever...

 

Your friend had a crap lawyer if he did time for a dime bag.

DD

 

I didn't say he was rich. I just said it happens. And if it never happened (which just isn't true) why keep it on the books?

 

I can't believe it was such an even number of people!

No really, I think it is stupid to try eradicating a certain plant from the earth. Wars on plants are just silly.

 

You know exactly jack **** about this subject, case closed.

 

What are your views on the following laws:
statutory rape
child p*rnography
underage drinking
animal cruelty
indecent exposure
minimum speed laws
draft dodging

 

God made grass
man made booze
who do you trust?

 

What's your point? gus said he didn't have a problem with victimless crimes. Every single one you mentioned besides underage drinking impacts other living beings adversely.

 

What, do you think having your picture taken steals your soul or something? What rights are being violated if someone photographs a naked 10 yo, or more to the point, a consenting 17 yo? Who is the victim if a 22 yo has sex with a consenting 17 yo? Whose rights are violated by a streaker? People ddriving very slowly could probably prevent a lot of deaths, so that is almost certainly if not victimless a net gain. Dodging the draft affects no one but you. Draft dodging might be your strongest case, except that there are perfectly legal ways to accomplish the same thing. Animal cruelty hurts someTHING but not neccessarily someONE, assuming by someONE he was refering to other people. He certainly isn't concerned about all the innocent plants being killed to feed his mar1juana addiction. That is my point.

 

Whatever.

 

The reason several of these crimes are not considered victimless is the very nature of the legal definition of consent. We have, as a society, defined that people under a certain age are not legally capable of giving a consent for which they can be held responsible...We have to draw the line somewhere, as we are all aware that, for example, a 4 year old will 'consent' to just about anything if there's candy in it for them, without understanding the effect of the consent.

 

Until they legalize the drug, and they never will, it will be a crime...although a watered down one at best.

Anyone here think Pot is legal in the Netherlands?

Guess what? It isn't. The goverment just chooses to ignore the laws and allow it in restricted areas, seems to work ok over there, although people there drive a lot less than we do over here...ah well.

Since I don't smoke it, I don't see a problem with prosecuting the law.

However, I do respect people have the right to toke up in their own homes, it is a personal choice in my opinion.

If they drive while high, that is a whole nother matter.

DD

 

MacBeth: I wouldn't bother. Apparently Hydra was trying to be funny. Unfortunately the joke just didn't make any sense.

DD: It is ridiculous to say weed will never be legal. I'm not saying it will, but there is no grounds to say it never will. Just another reach of an absolute statement on a topic you apparently don't understand at all.

 

The governments of europe dont' ignore laws DD. They simply decriminalized mar1juana so it's not an enforceable crime to possess it.

Keep up with your research though, you're batting 1000

 

Actually, it wasn't a joke at all. I was interested in hearing gus's opinions on some other issues that have no more victims and no more serious consequences (IMO) than pot smoking. Instead, I got a dismissal from a totally different poster (that would be you) and a lecture on legal consent, which is hardly the issue, since mar1juana is not legal. Thanks for your dismissive commentary about something that was not even directed to you though.

PS - I meant that my first post was directed elsewhere, my second was certainly meant to clarify my position to you.

PPS - I also think that mar1juana should be legalized.