7 Radical Black Muslims Arrested in Plot to Attack Sears Tower

can't believe how some just laugh off and automatically dismiss this as "they couldnt do anything anyways". Where there is a will there is a way. Writing them off just seems so dense and honestly kind of pathetic.

As for the black muslim part. it's a description! they are black, right? Next thing you know people will start whinning because an article ssays 5 men arrested...Why do they have to be men? why cant it just be people? If this overly PC-ness was so stupid it would be funny.

 

ill just repost what i wrote a year and a half ago...

this whole story reeks of agents provocateuring a bunch of young, poor and not-too-bright guys into running their mouths off and not much else. they had no money, weapons, connections of means to pull off any real attacks. they had never even been to chicago to scout out the sears tower. they had no real plans to actually do anything and they had no cache of weapons to pull anything off.

one guy swears an oath of allegiance to an undercover agent posing as an al-qaeda operative, but they never had any real dealings with the group. they never met anyone connected with al-qaeda.

these guys were so unequipped that the f.b.i. provocateur even had to buy them a videocamera so that they could go tape the f.b.i. building. now this is the prime evidence against them. its kind of like a cop selling someone drugs and than arresting them for possession.

im not trying to say that these guys are angels, but clearly they were not a real threat and if they didnt have the help from the undercover agent wouldnt have been able to do anything due to lack of resources. the agent even had to buy them boots!

coupled with santorum's WMD's in iraq, this reeks of pre-election fear mongering from the neocons and not much else. the cheney administration has done a terriffic job playing up the fear-card to keep us under control, and i dont see this as anything different.

 

LOL at all the morons who bought into this b.s. story.

double LOL at all the morons who continue to buy into this b.s. story.

 

do you actually read articles and threads before you post. they weren't a threat. that's pretty much been established

 

i forgot. you never trust "the man". At least you are consistent.

Ok, so next time you would like for them to have their guns, have their plans, etc and then arrest them? Do you think that they should only be arrested when they are actually a threat?

what the hell does WMDs have to do with this particular case? dont complicate the issue.

 

It's kind of sad when a guy with a Jesus tattoo on his arm doesn't even know when Jesus died.

It was Yom Kippur, right? Or was it Purim?

 

no, i just know how to read and comprehend what i read. you should try it sometime.

i would like for my government not to create and supply "terrorist" groups so that they can arrest them and exploit it for publicity purposes. im not even a lawyer, but when this case broke i knew it would be thrown out and i was proven right. im not saying im matlock or anything, but anyone w/ a little common sense and a slight knowledge of american law would have known this. sorry if you cant understand this stuff.

i was referring to fear mongering comments senator santorum had made at the time i posted this (summer 2006). leading up to the 06 elections the republican party fell back to their strategy of fear-mongering or terrorizing the american people into voting for them. fortunately, that strategy doesnt work anymore.

sorry if this stuff is complicated for you, but that isnt my fault or my problem.

 

I don't blame the thread starter.. the chance to start a thread with "Radical Black Muslims" in the title was just too tempting for him..

 

Like your name bruh. I can understand your side of why you feel people are being too sensitive to them including "black" but honestly as an African American we can definitely be sensitive to many things involving race b/c alot of times there is a feeling of racial motives behind it. I myself was thinking it in my head but could understand a bit why they included it. Yet based on the history of my race has gone through in America it is a stigma that is not easily removed and it has bred within us.

There is alot of hidden racism that behind close those would be acknowledged. It is that hidden racism that keeps us all on edge. I believe dialogue with open eyes, mind and hearts could remedy that feeling. Holla back.

 

They weren't cleared of the charges just because they couldn't have pulled it off anyway.

There is a reason they were cleared.

 

you know what entrapment means?

"FBI arrests 7 in alleged terror plot"

thats the original title.. the thread starter could have simply used that..

 

Good to see you didn't even bother to actually read the entire post before dismissing it as "dumb."

Perhaps you are just too half-witted to understand the analogy.

Since you likely don't have a friend to help you with all the big words while reviewing my post, I will try to dumb it down for you.

You infer that Muslims have some higher duty for vigilance aginst terrorism. That is the same as saying that Catholics have a higher duty for vigilance aginst child molestation because some priests behaved badly with children.

If you can't understand that, then you are a dolt, plain and simple.

I never stated that Baptists or Catholics were terrorists.

Damn.

 

Ref you are wasting your time with this guy, he’ll never give any thought to your post, he’d rather resort to petty name calling ….

…. he has a one track mind….he’s always right….. and everyone else’s intelligence level is below his……

 

And then he posts and proves exactly the opposite.

I'll bet him and T_J call each other and laugh about their posts.

 

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since when did a little detail be such a bad thing?

i can understand that and there is a lot of hidden "racism" (although i hate to use that word...i think people toss it around too much and it gets watered down). However, given this particular situation, if it just said Muslims...you would probably initially think of a middle eastern person, right? (granted, that's stereotyping, but that's another subject).

But i agree with what you are saying and I've see it all around (i can remember the first time i ever noticed it when i was 13 and me and my buddy, who's black, were at a store and the manager was all sorts of eyeballing him). That being said, sometimes people are overly sensitive...and i think you can agree with that. For example, I can't stand some of the radio callers (who sound like older black men) who said that the texans didnt select VY because he's black ! I understand that the old timers have had it rough, but come on now...that's too much

Then again, there is intent. Was the person just ignorant that what they were saying may be offensive? or did they truly mean to be offensive?

 

The intent was not to add the detail to clarify, but to dehumanize and objectify.

Had the intent been to clarify it wouldn't have been bad.

 

How do you know that was his intent? Did he say as much? Or are you assuming because he used the word "black" he is automatically dehumanizing them? If so, then why do you correlate "black" with "dehumanize" and "objectify"....that seems sort of racist to me.

 

In the D&D every word is hacked and sliced into little bitty piexces trying to find something racist to pin on somebody. Not saying that this is what FranchiseBlade did...just saying that this is what the normal tendency around this place seems to be.

 

no, you're right that is the norm. I was just wondering how/where he could determine intent from.

I think most of us have told a story, or make a comment, like "that black dude is tall" or "see that asian guy with the hat", or whatever...I don't think those comments are wrong or have any intent

and refman, you also forgot the other norm around here...agree with me or youre stupid

 

bigtexxx and T_J would be so proud.