He's better than Maurice Taylor when you take into account the new rules. How is Horry even remotely as good as Mo Taylor? You are having too many flashbacks to the championship years. Horry cannot create on his own offensively-- all he does now is launch 3's, and occasionally score down low against small defenders or get garbage points. On defense, he's solid, but not spectacular. He isn't a strong rebounder. The only thing he does better than Mo is he has a little bit better timing when trying to block shots, but overall they are fairly similar on defense. Mo is light years ahead on offense. And the new rules should favor big men with outside jumpers who can pull other big men away from the basket, and Mo's outside jumper is much more consistent than Horry's. I'd like to see Horry back here, esp. if he could come cheap or via a sign and trade, but to say he's better than Mo Taylor is ludicrous. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Actually I think Horry and Rudy T did end on bad terms. Horry got Calvin Murphy's daughter pregnant, which infuriated Murphy, and therefore it also bothered Rudy, Murphy's best friend and longtime roommate. ------------------
Let's also not forget how streaky Horry is. He's had his offensive moments, but on the whole, I'd take Walt any day. I still remember the game years ago when Horry tied the record for most 3s in a regular season game with 10. Next game he missed all of them. I just see no reason why we'd bring him back. It's not like he's a young prospect anymore, and it's not as if he'd provide leadership because he won't. ------------------ "Down South is where I stay, switch four lanes, . . . from the Antoine to the MLK, these H-Town boys like to swang and bang" - Mista Madd feat. Yungstar and Slim Thug - "Down South"
Horry in no way is better than Mo Taylor for the reasons The Cat sited. I was actually thinking of acquiring him to play mostly the 3 spot and atleast give the Rockets a chance against the big SFs that destroy this team on a regular basis ie. Dirk Nowitzki, Donyell Marshall, Shareef Abdur Rahim, Shawn Marion, Antawn Jamison, etc. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
The Cat, Mo Taylor does have a nice outside shot up to about 18 feet. But he doesn't have 3 point range. Horry can hit the 3. Horry runs the floor better than Taylor. And no, they are not similar defensively. You can see Horry is giving Duncan fits and he helped to totally SHUT DOWN Webber. He plays the passing lanes very well, which will be a key in the zone defensive scheme. He's not a GREAT Defensive player, but is a good defender. Mo Taylor is a below average to horrible defender. How can you say they have similar shotblocking ability?...Horry is a great weakside shotblocker, always has been. Horry never puts up big #'s, but always does the little things that go unnoticed. If you watch him in the playoffs, he is the BEST Laker at feeding the post. He was like this in Houston too with Hakeem. He also can throw a nice alley-oop pass, which would be a big asset with guys like Francis and Mobley, and dare I say Kelvin Cato (who is horrible but can finish alley-oops well). If Taylor would slim down, I wouldn't mind seeing him at the 3, but at the 4 position, he's just out of place and outclassed. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
ZRB says that the Rockets should most definitely sign Horry, after they resign Hakeem, Mo, Moochie, Shandon, Bullard, and sign Webber, Antonio Davis, Marc Jackson, Michael Finley, and Dikembe Mutombo. Next year's lineup: Francis-Moochie Finley-Mobley-Shandon Horry-Shandon-Walt-Bullard-Langhi Webber-Davis-Mo-Kenny Hakeem-Dikembe-Jackson-Cato-Collier ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Home of Turn, Tweak, and all your demented favorites!
Horry can hit the 3. Sure, once in about 5 attempts. The point is, I'd much rather have the guy with a consistent jumper out to 20 feet than the guy who has a few feet longer range, but much less accuracy. Mo Taylor is a below average to horrible defender. You might could say he's a below average rebounder, but he's an average to probably above average defender. Mo has very good positioning on defense, and can defend some of the more physical power forwards as well. When I was on court level for the Feb. 3rd game at San Antonio, I watched closely his footwork, lateral movement, etc. in the post defending Duncan and he impressed me a lot. Horry is a pretty good defender, but Mo Taylor is as well. And no, they are not similar defensively. You can see Horry is giving Duncan fits and he helped to totally SHUT DOWN Webber. He plays the passing lanes very well, which will be a key in the zone defensive scheme. Shut down Webber? He averaged about 30 points and 12 rebounds for the series. I hardly call that shutting him down. The reason the Kings lost that series was Rick Fox and others really locking in on Peja Stojakovic, Jason Williams, and all of the Kings perimeter scoring. Webber was the only consistent option for the Kings all series, and that's why they lost. Not because the Lakers shut down Webber, but because they shut down the players around him like Peja. How can you say they have similar shotblocking ability?...Horry is a great weakside shotblocker, always has been. I said the only thing Horry had on him was better timing on shotblocking. I didn't say they were similar there... Horry runs the floor better than Taylor. Since he's a natural 3, it'd be kind of concerning if he couldn't, don't you think? If you watch him in the playoffs, he is the BEST Laker at feeding the post. He was like this in Houston too with Hakeem. He also can throw a nice alley-oop pass, which would be a big asset with guys like Francis and Mobley, and dare I say Kelvin Cato (who is horrible but can finish alley-oops well). It's not a power forward's job to feed into the post-- it's a PF's job to get the ball in the post. So you can't blame Mo there. And it's pretty damn easy to feed the post when you have Shaq inside. I wouldn't mind seeing him at the 3, but at the 4 position, he's just out of place and outclassed. How? He has a true 4's body, defends pretty solid, and has an awesome offense game. He has the inside moves with a hook in the post, and he faces up as good as anyone. A power forward with Mo's dribbling skills, athletic ability, and silky smooth jumper out to 20 feet certainly isn't out of place and outclassed. He could get better on the boards, but he is 24 years old. Not everyone reaches their peak this soon; and with things like positioning being so important to be a good rebounder, he can be taught to improve. If you think he's bad for us at the 4 and that he'll be out of place, consider this: Mo Taylor outclasses 3 of the 4 power forwards remaining in this year's playoffs. (Scott Williams, Tyrone Hill, Horace Grant) If those guys can find a place as the starting PF on possible championship teams, you can't tell me Mo is outclassed at the power forward position. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Actually KT was the fourth player, Moochie, the third. Back to the subject, Horry should be considered, but not as highly coveted as some seem to think. Probably jus a good guy who will start in front of our future SF for about two seasons, and then take a seat on the bench. That is, if we get him of course. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Francis/Moochie Cat/Forte Horry/Jefferson/Langhi Mo T/KT Cato/Woods/Collier I like that team,not championship caliber yet ,but improving (6th seed) and with lots of potential ------------------ The time is now,step up.
If walt is the backup sg then you should see if Forte is there with the 22nd pick. ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
If walt is the backup sg then you should see if Forte is there with the 22nd pick. You could, but in reality, Stevie is and has to be our backup SG. Steve is too valuable not to play 40 minutes per game, but Mooch is way too valuable to play just 8, which is what he would play if we had a backup SG like Forte and Francis played solely PG. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Good point Cat. Really isn't room on this squad for a really good backup two. And we don't really need one either. Right now our team is built to play backup positions as committees, at the backup one, we have Mooch, Colson, and Cat backing up Steve. At the two, Francis, Colson, Walt, Shandon, and Langhi backup Cuttino Three:Cat, Walt, Langhi, Bull Backing up Shan Four:KT, Cato, Langhi, Bull, Collier, Shan backing up Mo Five:KT, Cato, Mo, Bull, Collier backing up Dream ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Horry hit 34.6% of his three-pointers, which is about the equivalent of Cuttino Mobley. Good article in the Chronicle to be released Friday morning: <a href="http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/bk/bkn/921166" target="_blank">For Horry, it is a tale of two cities</a> ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Honestly, the reason I would want Horry is for specific reason. He is clutch. You can diss him all you want that he isn't consistent, but from the previous series, you can see evident how many times Horry has hit clutch 3s and bailed the lakers out. And to say you would rather have walt then horry is ludicrous. Horry can actually play some defense. When he can't hit the 3 like walt, at least he's not useless. ------------------ Draftsource.net
And he is a true PG, which is very important to the team. We already have good scoring guards, if anything we need another distributor. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Can we trade for Horry if he doesn't opt out? I think this would be the best bet for both sides. The Lakers would get someone, since they are over the top and we would unload someone too. Would you do the following: Horry for Cato and a couple first rounders? (Get Cato off our roster would be awesome!) ------------------ If Bill Gates had a dime for every time Windows crashed... Oh, Wait!! He Does!
I'm with you that would be awesome! But do you think the Lakers would go for it? Cato's contract is so long! ------------------
But alot of times when Rudy wants to run he puts Mobley at the three spot at times which could keep Forte at the shooting spot and Francis at the point. Horry, Forte, and Ken Johnson would be nice coming off our bench. ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
