All contracts in the NBA are guaranteed. Even if he only plays 2 years, he will count against their cap for the length of the contract. That is not true. You are allowed to sign a veteran player to a contract that isn't guarenteed. In fact, the 2nd year of Thomas Hamilton's deal wasn't guarenteed. That's why we were able to release him (in year 1 of a two year deal) and not have him count against our cap the following season. ------------------
Maybe I wasn't totally clear on my thought. All I was trying to say is that NBA contracts are unlike that of NFL. In the NBA, unless you have a player option or a club option, a contract is guaranteed. Specifically in regards to some of the Hakeem rumors. I have read that he was offered a 4 year $22 million dollar contract with no options. In this case, they cannot cut him after year 2 and recoup that cap space. ------------------
I don't think this is true, either. The default Uniform Player Contract has provisions for guaranteed payment due to Lack of Skill, but there are "Allowable Amendments" that can be adding to take away guaranteed compensation "in whole, or in part". Plus, you can treat each year separately. In other words, you can sign a 6yr contract wherein only the first 5 are guaranteed. See Article II "Uniform Player Contract", Section 3 "Allowable Amendments", Subsection f. [This message has been edited by crispee (edited July 20, 2001).]
You may be right, but why would Matt Maloney count against our cap after he has already left? It seems like we could apply this "Lack of Skill" provision to Maloney for sure. ------------------
. In the NBA, unless you have a player option or a club option, a contract is guaranteed. Nope, that's not true. Contracts don't have to be guarenteed, even if they don't contain any Early Termination Options (player or team). In fact, by default NBA contracts aren't guarenteed. In order to be guarenteed, they have to add a clause for "protection against lack of skill". Now, the fact of the matter is that in today's NBA, almost all contracts are guarenteed, but that's because it's used as a negotiating tool, not due to CBA restrictions. There are special cases (such as first round picks), where it's required that the contracts contain protection for lack of skill. But, that is the exception, not the rule. In Thomas Hamilton's case, he had a two year deal, the first year was guarenteed and the 2nd year wasn't. There were no early termination options in his deal. Another example is the current Derek Anderson fiasco in SA. One of his objections was the the Spurs weren't guarenteeing the last 2 years of their contract offer. Now the Spurs have come back and offer to guarentee only $2M of each of the last two years. He's also ticked because they weren't offering the max salary increase for each season of the deal. ------------------
So let me see if I get this straight, there are people willing to tie up cap space for the next 3 years, lose our starting PF, kill our ability to sign quality FAs, and set the rebuilding process back 2 or 3 years, just to overpay and satisfy the ego of a Hall-of-Fame center who is 3 years past his prime? And it makes this Rocket management bad management for not wanting to hurt the franchise? ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 20, 2001).]
i agree totally with rocksmillenium ------------------ What is the difference between Kelvin Cato and Macey Gray?? Macey has bigger hair
You may be right, but why would Matt Maloney count against our cap after he has already left? It seems like we could apply this "Lack of Skill" provision to Maloney for sure Simple. Maloney's deal was guarenteed (i.e. we included the protection for lack of skill in his contract). In other words, he signed a guarenteed deal, so we owe him all his money. ------------------
Nothing says building for the future like tearing apart a young, explosive backcourt to make a 38 year old center happy! ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air
Rocksmillenium- Well said. Crispee- Are you a long lost family member? I seem to agree with you on TOO many issues. Except for the bet. hehehehe ------------------ Fuggetabout it
I disagree, ZRB. I think dream is going to toronto thanks to an unbelievably naive and delusional 38-year-old, injury-prone pivot player who still thinks he's 33 and going to win the MVP and the title next year. ------------------ houston rockets = 2 utah jazz = 0
Hakeem by his own account was underutilized last year. He feels he could do more. He feels strong and healthy the last part of the season. The guy knows what he can still do, looks like now we are seeing that his feelings was deeply hurt by Rudy's decision to change the game plan where he have minimal contribution. I could still remember those interviews where he said the Rocket's position is: "I know you could do more but do less". With this blunder, guess the damage is already done according to Dream's point of view. Proud man that he is, his feelings is further hurt by being low-balled by CD. Not being available to talk to Rudy at the very first chance already tells you where all this is heading. Dang... we will miss Dream, he's good as gone. Hope I am wrong. In retrospect, I also do not hear from any reports that Dream getting in game shape this off-season like Jordan. So there you go... pride and money but where is the desire to excel? ------------------
Lets give Dream the 4 mill this season and 16 mill next season. That way we have enough room to sign Mo, Shandon, Mooch, and Bull. We will have our nucleus under contract and will not be looking to make big moves next year. ------------------ Life quotes: -Statistics are like a bikini; what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. -Anyone who can walk to the welfare office can walk to work. -Budget: A method for going broke methodically. -We've sent a man to the moon, and thats 29000 miles away. The center of the Earth is only 4000 miles away. You could drive that in a week but for some reason nobodys ever done it. -People will accept your idea much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first. -As long as people will accept crap it will be financially profitable to dispense it. -Laugh at your problems, everyone else does. -Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. Yes is the answer. -If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
Lets give Dream the 4 mill this season and 16 mill next season. That way we have enough room to sign Mo, Shandon, Mooch, and Bull. We will have our nucleus under contract and will not be looking to make big moves next year. We are allowed give Hakeem at most a 12.5% increase between any two seasons of a contract. A 300% increase is illegal under the current CBA. ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited July 20, 2001).]
