b/c he doesn't play much for consideration. hayes IS a top 3-4 defender in this league pound for pound. if he plays 35+ mins, he'll be top 2-3 in DPOY voting every year. dude made KG looks like a punk.
For how many games??? 1?? I mean come on. Ok 35+ mins and he'll be top 2-3 DPOY. Did you not forget he was starting when JVG was the coach. What happened then?? Chuck Hayes doesn't have a name for himself to even be nominated. As long as KG, Tim Duncan , Dwight Howard, Marcus Camby, and so on are playing then Hayes will never see the light. Hell Joakim Noah is starting to have more rep than Hayes on the Defensive end.
While saying "elite" way have been slightly hyperbolic, don't dismiss just how good Hayes is as a defensive presence. There are very few people in this league that have been successful shooting over him, he bodies up to them adn forces them to shoot out of their rhythm as well as anyone in this league that is taller than him. That is why he gets the kudos he gets for his defensive abilities, we have all seen him do it time after time. To ignore that is to show you don't watch or don't understand what you are seeing on the floor.
there's a reason a guy with ZERO offense can stay on this team for so long, a team that has always been in desperate need of offense (even when yao and tracy were healthy). if hayes has some type of offense, you can be sure scola would be on the bench with zero hesitation. hayes basically put the locks on aldridge whenever he was on him. or KG. or whoever you want to put him on. you can't move chuck hayes on the block. the ONLY thing you can do is shoot over him. and that's what all great defenders do: make your guy take contested jumpshots. noah? you're funny. perkins and big baby davis had a field day v. the bulls' big men. they didn't miss KG's offense for the most part b/c those 2 guys stepped up on the inside. our team lacks offense so bad -> that's why hayes doesn't play much (or deke). just watch hayes closely when he's on defense. i think he's better than shane.
Exactly. I only remember LaMarcus Aldrisge playing well against Hayes because he is a wonderful shooter. He didn't even try to back him down. All he did was to get the ball turn and shoot over Hayes. He is taller and has range so it worked.
No 1 is knockin Hayes down for his defensive skills. Kudos to him. But sayin top 3 defensive wise is over doing it. Yeah he is a Rocket and we are all Rocket fans ( maybe all of us ) but thats just insane and disrespectful to the defensive guys who has been doing it for years. Chuck Hayes is a good defender but guys over rate him. Yao was out for the season and we played the Jazz. Boozer was killing whoever was guarding him. Hmmm where was Hayes. He is good but he isn't that great.
he got hot as the series went on. but if the opponents' PF is taking 18-20 ft jumpshots, you let them.
LaMarcus Aldridge is not a back your guy down type of player. He is a face up shoot type of player. Chris Bosh killed Hayes before also. Dirk Kills hayes. Well Dirk Kills everyone but those guys have had the best of him also
Team Lacks offense?? Really... Last time I checked this team basically consist of offensive guys. NO Defensive guys but Hayes, Dorsey, and Ariza. Lowry is sort of balanced.
I remember Hayes taking Dirk back to school one time but I also remember a game when he light him up for 30+ points. So you can't say he has been killing him. I'd say it is an even matchup.
Hayes can't stay on the floor because his ability to score is damn near zero. He isn't an all-time great defender like KG, but even superstar scorers have a very difficult time scoring on him, much less average players. His defensive technique is impeccable. Did you watch last year when Aldridge scored at will vs. Scola in the playoffs? Hayes damn near made him a non-factor. Keep in mind that Aldridge should've have been easily able to just shoot over him, right? Yet, it didn't happen. No one can stop a good NBA scorer every single time but if they make that person inefficient then it's a job very well done (see Shane Battier on Kobe Bryant). There are VERY few players that do what Chuck Hayes does on defense. By the way, Camby is a HORRIBLE defender. He's a good weakside shot-blocker and that gets lots of highlights, but that's it.
I wouldn't say its an even match-up. Out of 10 possessions you ask Hayes to guard Dirk i would like to see how many times Dirk scores. But hey everyone has their own opinions.
Camby rates well as a team defender, based on his defensive adjusted +/-. He may not be an elite post defender, but his shot-blocking and rebounding does have a major impact. Hayes is not a shutdown defender, and his lack of size can hurt him in some matchups. But I think his combination of defensive versatility (he can guard 3 positions pretty effectively), the quick hands/feet, the strong base, and big-time defensive smarts makes him an impact player on that end. The problem is that since Adelman took over, Chuck's been used primarily at the C spot where isn't quite as effective as at PF (his defensive versatility isn't made use of as much), and he's regressed significantly as a finisher on the offensive side. That's why he doesn't get 25+ minutes a game, and consequentially its why he won't get voted to All-Defense teams.
TMac4Life#1, Are you saying All Star post players score on Hayes? Stop the presses, man! What an observation! I've seen Dirk drop monster numbers on Duncan so I guess Duncan is just a pretty good defender too? I saw Shaq drop big numbers on Dream! Dream must have been an overrated defender too. What about when NBA nobody Labradford Smith dropped 37 on Michael Jordan? I guess Jordan wasn't really all that after all? Wow. I guess nobody to ever play the game was a better than "good" defender. The point is that Chuck Hayes comes in and makes guys work HARD for buckets but he plays in the NBA so everyone can score and the superstars can score on anyone when they get hot. The point is that if you make them take tougher shots they won't hit as many. I would say Chuck Hayes makes guys take as many "bad" shots as anyone in the league. He is an elite defender.
Chuck Hayes is an Elite defender in the league. I dont care how bold that statement is, I believe it fully.
no player should be labeled with "elite" while he can only play 12 minutes a game. stop overrating the guy.
