[610 Conjecture/Source] Juwon back to the Rockets?

Also, Howard never makes the situation worse unneccesarily. He basically stands up for the teammate and keeps sitaution under control.

 

"Once we trade for Cutino, it'll be me and Mike setting plays up in the wings. Splash"

 

I agree - too many of you are on the menstral cycle (too emotional) to see the value of Juwan. Was Juwan worth $6-7 million per year? No, definately not, but for the minimum - no...not yes, but... HELL YES! Did you actually watch the Rox last year? Juwan stepped up HUGE when Yao and T-Mac were out.

Season G MPG FG% FT% 3P% Fouls DQ REB APG SPG BPG TO PPG
2006-07 87 26.25 46.14 81.41 0 214 1 5.76 1.59 0.39 0.09 1.33 9.29

Hope the stats help. If you can name a better player that the Rox can actually obtain for the minimum (and I am advocating obtaining Juwan for the minimum) then please name him - please don't just say NOOOOOO!

Regardless of whether or not he stole some frickin' sunglasses - and honestly, ask yourself - would he actually make the team better? I believe he would - especially at the unproven PF position we've had since OT or Barkley were here.

 

If he is bought out, and we can sign him for the Veteran Minimum. I don't see why not. I would rather have a experienced veteran on the bench, then a young rookie.

 

Juwan is a cursed man... NO TO juwan

 

JUWAN BLOWS. I wouldn't want him back even if HE WAS PAYING US. next.

 

agreed.

 

Actually a 3-1 trade for Howard for over the amount of his salary helps us out more than just signing him for the min would. We could create more roster and salary space for Deke.. e.g.,

We could also do Snyner (2.4), Butler (2.4) + Reed (1.4) + JL3 (.8) for 6.8 mil Howard (say plus a 2nd rounder). Minny should be happy as they get younger guys on the same or shorter length contracts (some with team options). We get a guy who can actually contribute and save a little money.

There are deals that are win-win-win (for Hou, Minny and JH).

 

Could he help in the regular season? yes. Would he destroy any chance the rockets have in the postseason just by virtue of being on the team? also yes. Thats the problem.

 

I agree that Snyder is a disappointment,and Reed/JL3 aren't needed.Butler isn't an ideal backup for Yao either,while Juwan could still be somewhat productive especially if Scola gets injured or seriously struggles.
I still would like to see if Snyder can get better in Adelman's system and have Butler as the 3rd center behind Yao and a resigned Deke.

 

History repeats itself. Rockets trade Francis for McGrady; Francis gets cut, Rockets get him back for free. Rockets trade Howard fro James; Howard gets cut, Rockets get him back for free.

 

How ridiculous! People said the same about Hakeem in '93-'94 that he should be traded for Barkley b/c he wasn't a "team player" and would never win a championship. I actually remember Jordan being under the same microscope his first 5 years in the league. Juwan isn't cursed, seriously look at the teams he's been on. Please name just ONE team that he was on that was the favorite and actually SHOULD have won a championship. For the minimum, I don't see how you can disagree.

 

Nice.

 

You guys are joking right! Whats wrong with Juwan for a minimal price. The more talent the better! Learn basketball people!

 

A 3-1 trade COULD help out, but the spedific trade that was proposed and that I was responding to WOULDN'T. The suggested trade had us shipping out Reed + Lucas + Sura and receiving Juwon in return. Let's look at how those numbers would effect us. Using the quoted salaries, that's $6.14M out and $6.8M in. So, first of all, the proposed deal had us taking back MORE salary that we sent out, not less.

That's not all though, it's actually worse. As pointed out, the entire salaries of Sura and Lucas aren't guarenteed. So, if we didn't trade them we could simply release Sura and Lucas and it would only cost us $3M in salary ($1M for Sura, $1.5M for Reed and $500K for Lucas). So, the net difference is $3.8M in raw salary (Howards $6.8M - the $3M for Reed and a waived Sura and Lucas). Since we're over the tax threshold, now you need to add another $3.8M in tax to the total cost to Les Alexander.

Bottom line the deal that was suggested and the deal that I was refering to would cost the Rockets an additional $7.6M next season. That deal would NOT help us out more than signing Howard to the minimum.

Now, can I contrive a trade where the Rockets trade multiple players for Howard and also help themselves cap wise? Sure I can, but good luck getting Minnesota to take on additioinal players or salary. After the KG trade, the Twolves have something like 16 guarenteed deals, so they're not going to be interested in acquiring extra bodies nor do they want to add salary.

 

I agree the deal with Sura involved (who we can buy out and save substantial money) is out of the question.

Rafer (4.6mil) + Snyder (2.4) or Butler (2.4), for Howard (6.9mil) would not be bad for all involved. JL3 or Novak perhaps could be passed on and bought out too. I have to admit I am getting different figures from different sites.

Looks to me Minny could more use a vet true PG, and we could more use the vet PF. Don't now if they want Butler (though they seem thin on Cs/shotblocking), but Snyder is also low risk with the team option and 1 year deal. Both are young and could contribute.

 

You're mistaken. Acquiring J-Rich actually put them in the same salary situation as last year. Herrmann was never really a free agent as they had a team option. Even after re-signing/extending Carroll & Wallace for around under $14 million in total Bobcats are still around $6-7 million under the salary cap.

 

I really don't understand all the salary cap stuff, but why would we give up 2 players that could play for us (Rafer and Butler) for a player that we might be able to ge for the minimum? I'm all for getting Sura off the books, but if there's the possibility that we could sign Juwan for the min - why would we do a trade?
I may be in the minority, but I don't want to let Rafer go just for the sake of lettting him go (of getting him off the books). I think he adds to the team in ways that Francise and James do not. If we can move him to make the team better fine, but if we don't have to - as suggested in earlier posts - then why make a trade instead of just signing JHo outright for the minimum?

Please excuse my ignorance, but it just doesn't seem to make sense.

 

You're correct, they resigned Carroll rather than Herrmann.

If you believe RealGM, Charlotte is currently $2.1M over the cap and no team is currently under the cap.

http://www.realgm.com/src_salarycaps/current/

 

Simply Rockets need to cut player numbers and salary.