Not thrilled about either move... if the Rockets are looking at Chucky Atkins that tells me we are going to be looking at mediocre PG play for many years. Chucky is a bench player, he's an improvement over what we have on our bench but is not someone we will see replace Rafer. It's essentially a move to ensure mediocrity for the whole game rather than mediocre starter and garbage replacements. An improvement, yes, but I'd rather see that starter improve, considering our starter is already in the bottom 5 of all starting PGs. With Bonzi, I really don't want to see him go unless we have a good shot at getting Maggette. His game is just something our team cannot find in anyone else, and something that we could really use come playoff time. It does seem to hint at the Detroit trade and nobody we could get from there is much help to us right now.
Atkins is another shoot-first PG. He is a career low 40% FG shooter and 36% 3pt shooter. Sound familiar anyone? Why would we want another shoot-first PG with average shooting and little to no defense? People say Francis is a chemistry killer? Why? What team other than the Rockets has he been on long enough to even have chemistry. Magic never really had chemistry and Knicks definitely don't. Francis knows the JVG system, he could be awesome coming off the bench, or eventually start. No way I would give up anybody on the Rockets not named Sura, for Chucky Atkins. If Knicks buyout the contract and Steve is willing to sign for a vets minimum, I don't see why you don't do it. He's not a head case and/or a "chemistry killer". His penetration and the ability to finish strong at the hoop is what can help us.
NIKE, I understand it. I knew you couldn't combine players + TE. I said that in my initial post. What I didnt think of, duh, is that if we traded our TE for Atkins, the Grizz could just then turn around and use part of that just acquired TE to absorb JL3. I was making it more complicated than it had to be.
Everything you're saying I completely agree with and makes perfect sense. Atkins is the rational choice. For the life of me though, I still can't help but choose the more talented player in Francis. I still would prefer him over a guy like Atkins, who could be another David Wesley with better handles, better overall quickness and worse defense.
i'm not against atkins for the te but i definitely would not do it by giving up any of our pieces outside of padgett and sura.
Atkins would not be a bad acquisition. He would not start over Rafer until he shows he fits better on the team. He would definitely steal minutes from Rafer early, imho.
Atkins is better than Rafer and would shortly push him to the bench where he belongs. If teams gave him the scoring opportunities Rafer has he would close the sale. He finishes better by a mile. They are about equal in 3 point shooting. He is mentally tougher and cannot be intimidated. If Atkins played within his role here, he is definitely an upgrade over Rafer. I hope we can do better but I'll settle for him if we can't. Atkins coming here in midseason from the Grizzlies could give the Rockets his best habits without his worst. That what these types of trades do sometimes.
I was pulling for the Rocks to try and get Atkins (aswell as Magloire) in the offseason, so I have no bones if they're after him now.
Yao demanding double/triple teams..same as T-Mac..Chucky will probably ave. 3-5 three pt FGM per game
Is Sura's contract slightly larger than Atkin's? Then perhaps Memphis would like to do it just to save a few extra (million?) dollars.
two chuckies on one team??/ and If we are acquiring a PG, I would want a big PG so that he can post up our opposition (just something to mix up our offence) we seriously dont need another undersized PG who cant defend
If we are after Atkins, I think we should make Memphis throw in Alexander Johnson. He is a long athletic PF, and Memphis really has no room for him with Gasol, Warrick, and Lawrence Roberts. It would work for Sura alone since Johnson makes so little. Although we have to many bodies so throwing in Padgett or someone might clear up a spot. Memphis wont do this though unless they are just trying to throw Atkins away.
Yuck. Bonzi is worth way more then Chuck Atkins. Imagine if We somehow get Swift get thrown back at us?. oh the Irony. lol
Kim, if we end up with the guy, who's attractive largely by the virtue of not being Rafer, you can call yourself Nostradamus. I ended up reading the rest of that thread again after reading your post. A pretty good thread! It had hilarity (Clutch making the "BBS's Bill the Rocket Guy" look foolish, lol!), and several strong posts. You had a nice one about dividing up the minutes that still has me pondering it. How do you divide the minutes when everyone is healthy at the wing and in the backcourt? If we do get someone like Atkins for the TE, and Snyder's back, Bonzi returns, Head is making threes like a madman, Battier of course, Rafer is still here, and Tracy can play 3 positions. (not to mention JL3 and Billy) Heck, I probably forgot somebody. Might be a good topic for a thread, if we ever get everyone back. (and we trade for a point)
The TE and a player making less then chucki i can live with. but if bonzi in a 3 way was involved, it'll be a horrible trade.
That's why I wouldn't be surprised if Bonzi is somehow involved..maybe in a 3way or something. People seriously overestimate Bonzi's trade value around here. It's a good argument that Bonzi kills the Spurs in the playoffs and we should thus keep him, but that in no way translates into legit trade value. Somebody is going to be the odd man out. I think Snyder's minutes will get cut big time. And even with that, Rafer should only still play around 30mpg imo. He had 35minutes tonight and JL3 got 12...JL3 is getting better and better. He doesn't exclusively go right anymore and makes floaters and layups in traffic (something Rafer, nor Luther for that matter cannot do). So...what was that 77mpg between Rafer, Head, Snyder, Wells, and JL3 that I estimated. Holy crap, I am Nostradamus. Oh wait, that's just good analysis...because I'm looking at the box score right now for the Nuggets game and it's Rafer 35 + Luther 30 + JL3 12 = 77. LOL...right on the number that I put in that thread. So anyhow, 75-80 minutes divided between those guys...Rafer and Head's minutes will go down...Snyder will only play on nights we need him for matchups, Wells will get 20 minutes and JL3 will still get time, like 10 minutes. So that's what, 45-50 minutes between Rafer and Luther...for a 25/20 breakdown or a 30/20 breakdown. If Snyder plays a game, I think JL3 wouldn't play that game...cause it must be for size and athleticism. Whatever the case, it's a good problem to have. Because right now Rafer plays too much, because the Rockets are injured. JVG actually plays Bonzi and Snyder when healthy. Then if you add Chucky into the mix, well, that for sure would shut out JL3 and probably cut into Rafer even more...and as i stated, might involve trading Bonzi too...though I don't like that idea, but it wouldn't be surprising.
