i apologize for being a little off topic here but i have a question.... isnt the trade deadline coming up here pretty soon? when is it? thanks! im just anxious to see who were gonna be able to bring in...
To all of those talking about a Sura trade, it makes no sense for Memphis. Atkins is on an expiring deal. Why would they trade a productive player on an expiring deal for one that isn't playing on an expiring deal? This is most likely a TE plus a 2nd rounder kind of deal.
If we got Atkins it would almost assuredly mean JLIII or VSpan are on the way out ... I don't see us carrying 4 point guards and Jerry West has to get something out of the deal. I don't get terribly excited about Atkins, but if that's the best they can do in a 'we-screwed-up-on-Mike-James-----twice' world, then I guess they have to do it. They can't have Rafer going 35 minutes a night -- it's suicide and they know it. Atkins is a better finisher than Rafer (then, who isn't?) and about the same as a three-point shooter. The best part about having two Rafers is you can always pine one Rafer and play the other Rafer in the slim hope that that Rafer isn't having a Rafer night. For the life of me I don't know why VSpan is not playing in the NBDL right now. I'm not saying that as an insult, but he should be playing somewhere. JVG isn't about to play him anytime soon.
Clutch, I believe once you send a player to the NBDL, if any team wants to pick him up they can because you no longer have the rights to keep him. It's almost a gamble to do that, but I understand what you mean. I see worse players playing in this league. I don't understand why VS can't get some kind of minutes.
It could be that it was already agreed upon at the Battier trade that Memphis be willing to do this deal at the deadline if the Rox wanted to do it. It would not surprise me at all if as a contingency to the Battier deal CD made West commit to either giving us Chucky for the TE or being willing to take back Sura for Chucky if we wanted to do it at the trade deadline, thereby saving us a few dollars and giving us other options to consider before we come down to this deal at the deadline.
I watched him during his stint at the lakers. dude doesn't know when to stop shooting. Defenses other pgs worse than rafer does. I hope this doesn't work out. Bonzi wells for atkins (even if it isn't straight up with the Grizzlies) would be a steal for them. Bonzi's impact on our team far outweighs what shooting chucky atkins gives. and as you can see by his numbers, it's not much.
I actually think Rox has a shot at Mike James again. Minny is very high on Randy Foye. He takes a lot of minutes away from MJ and sometime he play the whole fouth QT to finish the game. I think Mike James is not happy and it acutally impacts his production a little bit. Maybe Rox can offer Minny something and take him back. Vspan will be back to Europe next season. Book it.
not true the players under contract to NBA teams can be sent to the D League adn they still take a roster postition on the team that sent them. You can call them back up whenever you want, they are still on your team.
not unless they buy him out, he has a guaranteed contract for at least two possibly three at the teams option..i dont remember exactly at this time.
Since when does Rafer know when to stop shooting? I've always been a big fan of Chucky. I'd love to see it happen. Also, when comparing the 2 as three-point shooters, I believe that Atkins is far superior. Even though their percentages are similar, I've got to think that Atkins' 3's have been far more heavily contested on average than Rafer's.
No. Teams can send down up to 2 (may even be 3) players into the NBDL with your specified "farm team". I think the Rockets is the Toros, they just haven't used it. The catch is, you have to keep the guy on your NBA roster, so it doesn't open up an NBA roster spot. JVG has said he likes having 3 PGs on the roster. Golden State has sent down their lotto pick this year. I think Clutch brings up a good point. It's worth noting, though, that we've kept Sura on the roster all year long, so in a sense we've 4 PGs here. So while I agree it's unlikely we'd keep all 4, I don't think it's impossible. If one does move on and we're getting Atkins, my money would be on JL3 - it doesn't make sense to keep multiple waterbugs (Atkins, JL3), especially when Rafer is a borderline gnat himself.
What is the point of getting Atkins? He isn't an upgrade over Rafer. We have had too much lateral moves on the PG spots. We need an UPGRADE!
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. VS has potential to be a good player in this leauge...but he's not there yet. There are at least 11 rockets, more like 13 when everyone is healthy, that should play ahead of him. I'm not big on the idea of "gambling" in a season where we have a realistic shot of doing well in the playoffs.
I don't know Clutch. I see Atkins as more of a stopgap kind of move. Billy and John-John are both still very young and could have bright futures with the team. I think Atkins would just come in and play the backup PG role while Lucas and Spanoulis improve and mature.
I think you're getting confused with signing someone from the NBDL with a ten day contract (like we did hayes last season) and them releasing them back, where another team could then pick them up. If we send someone like vspan to the NBDL no other team can pick him up because he's signed under us still, this is called player allocation and according to wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBDL#Player_allocations
Gotcha. BTW, Chucky didn't know when to stop shooting but it was during the Rudy Three era of that team and that's what he told them to do. His defense is porous at best. TE fine, but not for Bonzi. IMO we still need a real starting calibur PG to bring to this team. While Chucky is a superior and more consistent shooter than Rafer Alston, he's a backup just the same.
James has the trade kicker and is over our TE level--much harder to work a trade. Yes you have already showed your keen insight on the matter (thread below). This trade makes too much sense for both teams. Atkins is a significantly more reliable big game shooter and more efficient scorer than Rafer. He also is in part responsible for Memphis victories, something they don't need right now. They also have DS and Lowry under contract, no need for another vet. Having Rafer and CA would help and compliment each other, and make our PG spot MUCH more stable. Right now Rafer is the only experience we got, and he has little playoff experience. The idea we are giving playoff PT to VSpan or JL3 is small, they have been instable enough just in the regular season. This is the best small move I can think of in free agency, as noted... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=122672
