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$600/week unemployment

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, May 2, 2020.

  1. Two Sandwiches

    Two Sandwiches Contributing Member

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    Why in the hell is this happening? It shouldn't be.


    Raise unemployment benefits to 90 or even 100% of normal pay, but don't give people the equivalent of $15/hr on top of their unemployment benefits while essential workers get nothing.

    This essentially negates a large part of the work essential workers do, as it devalues their paychecks.

    It also makes a large swath of employees have no incentive to return to work. There are stories of employees mad at their employers for taking the small business loans to stay in business because they'd make more money if they were laid off.


    This is insanity. People that are working deserve a raise for actually working. Instead, we're essentially getting a pay cut.

    In fact, Portland ISD just decided to furlough its teachers one day a week so that they can take advantage of the extra $600. So they'll get paid for 32 hours a week. They'll lose the 8 hours pay, but they'll gain the extra $600, thus making more money than if they were working 40 hours.


    Flame away.
     
  2. ElPigto

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    I agree with you. I thought the only thing that needed to be done was pay people their salaries (capped at a certain amount).

    I think one of the disadvantages would of been people that live on tips and may not report it in their taxes or those that work two jobs.
     
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  3. body slam

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    I been thinking the same thing.
     
  4. Exiled

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    next year income tax hike will be insane
     
  5. Andre0087

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    Mnuchin stated it was the average salary of all workers? unemployed and since most states use systems that are so antiquated a single dollar amount was the easiest was to make it work for everyone.
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    Because our ****ing economy is in the middle of a mother****ing great depression and there is a global Pandemic. If you're going to waste your time getting angry it should be that we're not doing enough

    We are not.

    Didn't read a single word of your post past the first sentence. Read mine and then delete yours.
     
  7. Mr.Scarface

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    Oh wait til there is $2000 a month for 6 months! I will be happy.
     
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  8. Andre0087

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    He's right about essential workers and really folks in general getting paid more. What's your beef with that?
     
  9. Andre0087

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    If we can pump 2 trillion+ into the stock market at will then yea, we can afford it.
     
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    Did you just listen to the most recent Planet Money? Yeah, it's a weird situation.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    Lol, what do the 30% of Americans who can't pay rent now or the 30 million newly unemployed through no fault of their own have to do with the terrible wage structure of late stage capitalism?

    Answer - JACK **** NOTHING

    Our shitty unequal system is not the construct of the people on the bottom. The plutocrats really do love it though when idiots focus their rage on those getting tossed scraps and table leavings.
     
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  12. body slam

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    Scraps?
     
  13. gifford1967

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    Yeah scraps.
     
  14. Dairy Ashford

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    You should be much angrier about the fact that not a single state unemployment office in the entire country appears able to process or compensate a fraction of all of its legitimate claims. We have been gifted more prosperity and strategic stability than any country our size in the history of civilization, have wasted every second and spare cent for the last forty years kneeling at the altar of tax cuts and hypermilitarization and should be completely ****ing ashamed.
     
  15. Andre0087

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    Preach on!
     
  16. Two Sandwiches

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    Because he didn't read it.


    He thinks I'm advocating not helping anybody out, when in reality, I'm saying that you need to either give these people their normal income or you need to supplement essential workers to prop their pay up equal to the unemployed.


    He could learn something by reading the initial post.
     
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    That's fine, as long as it goes to EVERYONE.

    By giving money to a certain percentage of the population, you're essentially negating that money that others earn with hard work, not to mention inherited risk.
     
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    I don't disagree. At all.
     
  19. Two Sandwiches

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    $15/hr for not working is not scraps.


    You have plenty of essential workers, such as nurses on the front line of this pandemic that are only making $25/hr. When you're flat out giving people $15/hr for not working, you're essentially negating that nurse's salary down to $10/hr. For working with a virus that they can bring home to their kids, parents, husbands, wives, etc.


    If you supplement people a full 100% instead of 70% or whatever it is, they'd have to be making $2k a week under normal circumstances for that $600 to be warranted. That's $50/hr, if we're doing simple math by not incorporating taxes. Those people do not need supplementation as it is.

    Besides that, you now have government entities that are taking full and total advantage of this.

    In the meantime, hospital workers can't even get the PPE they need.

    It's a pandemic, and the economy may collapse. So the answer is to write people who lost their jobs a check as a reward? Where's the money coming from? Inflating at the cost of those that are working, that's where.


    Get out of here with this s***.
     
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  20. jiggyfly

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    I understand having questions about this but saying it negates the money that other people make is false, money is money.

    Does that more spend more than the other money?

    Yes some people are getting more than there regular paycheck but a lot are getting less than there regular paycheck or do you think most people getting unemployment have jobs that don't pay them 15 dollars an hr?
     

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