DraftExpress Jonathan Givony How is any of this "he said, she said" stuff even remotely constructive? Do these guys really need to get this off their chest that bad? KBergCBS Ken Berger Holt told union that owners wouldn't talk about the system unless players agreed to 50-50, Hunter said. "Take it or leave it," Hunter said. WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Hunter says owners told them they wouldn't negotiate on the system issues, until players agree on 50-50 split.
They know that the people are paying all that money to see them, not the teams or the organizations, because the NBA has marketed itself and become popular that way. I think they want that symbolically recognized in the revenue split.
Can I ask the Rockets for my money back on my season tickets? The owners can kiss my ass, I'm pissed and I want to make sure they know it.
What do you not disagree with? That players have a shorter amount of time to earn income off the game of basketball vs. the time the owners have. Or That players have huge impact on the value of a franchise. By the way Yao Ming and the billion people he introduced to following the NBA on a night to night basis are waving hi at you.
The problem with negotiating with unions is that the membership has a deficient understanding of economics compared to the owners. Professional athletes in particular. So either the owners know this and try to pull a fast one on the players, or the players are suspicious that the owners will do this and can't recognize the market value of their labor. The factory where I work is going through this, we offered the machinists union a very good deal and they rejected it. Now they are on strike without pay going on two weeks while we man the factory with salaried employees. The union doesn't understand that the company can hold out far longer than they can go without pay. Just like the NBA owners can. The players seem to think it's about what they deserve, rather than what they are worth.
I want a full refund. I don't know what I was thinking when I chose that stupid loyalty plan. I plan on calling my representative and telling them I want every single cent back.
SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "There are not enough owners in the room with a contrary position" eluding to big market owners. 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply DraftExpress Jonathan Givony Why do they think anyone gives a ****? RT @geoff_calkins: I think they're past the point where "constructive" is relevant. They're venting. 2 minutes ago WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Hunter: "Adam is not being truthful if he says he came in hopeful. There's no way they came in thinking that would fly..." 2 minutes ago KBergCBS Ken Berger Hunter said league knew what they were proposing "wasn't going to fly." 2 minutes ago SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "They knew when they presented what they presented to us that it wasn't going to fly. You better bring Adam (Silver) back..." 3 minutes ago TheRealTWill Terrence Williams The dude that went to mediate these meetings obviously didn't mediate if owners giving this damn hard time #EndtheLockout 3 minutes ago WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Hunter: "We've made concession after concession....We were prepared to take a set back and help them to become whole." 4 minutes ago KBergCBS Ken Berger Hunter: "We don't know where we would go if we don't have the discussion. ... We've made concession after concession after concession." 4 minutes ago ยป sportsguy33 Bill Simmons NBA Lockout now moving into "he said/she said" mode. So long, first 2 months of the season. I hate everybody.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Hunter: "The bigger market (owners), the guys who want to cut a deal, don't have the votes SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "Unfortunately what we have to do is miss more games for this to set in... We are on a slippery slope." KBergCBS Ken Berger Hunter: "Unfortunately, we have to miss more games before this sets in." pearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "Philosophically, it's a real large gap between the groups." He added NBA wants pre-condition of 50-50 BRI to meet again.
KBergCBS Ken Berger Hunter on decertification: "All of our options are on the table. Everything. DraftExpress Jonathan Givony Seems like the only serious people in these press conferences are the journalists asking the questions. Other parties come off very amateur.
Why does the NBPA have reps that have already amassed a comfortable amount of wealth? Are they really representative of the financial circumstances of the average player?
I have to admit -- I did not see this coming. I thought they would fix it and not lose much of a dime, in the grand scheme. I didn't think Stern and company had the balls. I was clearly wrong. incarceratedbob ... lol. Not a reflection on you, mickey_angelo... I'm just laughing at that guy and those who are scrambling to be "first" with the lockout news. I tell you what -- the NBA lockout has not been the finest hour for "sources", and that includes those tipping off Woj, Sheridan and the whole NBA reporting crew. There has apparently been a ton of misinformation reported and printed out there.
lol. Shouldn't they use the guys more inclined to look out for the long term success of future players? Union can't really have a bunch of "oh sh-t, I'm broke!" guys in the negotiations.
SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "Their biggest issue is they didn't want to go above 50 percent (BRI). They felt 50 met their needs." SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "As time goes on they're going to have to cancel more games." SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "It's all about (the owners) putting money in their pocket." KBergCBS Ken Berger Hunter: "I think it's all about putting money in their pockets. It's nice to talk about teams being competitive." SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears Hunter: "Let us say on the record we are ready to negotiate at any time. But we don't want any pre-conditions though." KBergCBS Ken Berger Hunter: "We're open to negotiate. We're ready to talk any time. Without any preconditikns though."
Does Hunter think winning the battle of public opinion matters relative to financial fundamentals? Does he think he can shame the other side into concessions? He can call the owners greedy liars all he wants, they still get to enjoy their millions while his players go unpaid.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Union attorney Jeff Kessler: "Something happened in that Board of Governors meeting. Yesterday we thought we were moving toward a deal..."
KBergCBS Ken Berger Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler saying now, "This meeting was hijacked." Says something happened in BOG, and it was "our way or the highway."
Deflecting blame to owners keep media pressure off of the players, who in turn are less inclined to pressure him to cave. Financial fundamentals are about numbers, but negotiations are a different thing entirely.
