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5 Words the Rockets need to learn: GET THE BALL TO YAO!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OddsOn, Apr 29, 2005.

  1. AMS

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    YOH is a myth. No such thing exists.

    Only used by YOF's that need someone else to blame stuff on.

    YOH used to be called SOF (steve only fans)
     
  2. OddsOn

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    Appearantly the Rockets did not read this message before game 4. The interviews from the players all stated that we need to get Yao the ball more but yet again he only shot the ball 7 times and made 6 of those. Now I know he had a few more touches then that and let that one pass go through his hands near the end of the game but it really should not have come to that. When your big guy is shooting that high of a % he should touch the ball 2 out of 3 times down the floor. Not to say he will shoot it that much but you must make Dallas respond to that or pay.
     
  3. Stack24

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    NOt to say they didn't try to pass the ball much to Yao, but from what i saw while i was at the game is they did a great job of doubling and fronting yao and pushing him far out of the lane and not giving the Rockets players a good lane to pass the ball to Yao..i don't think it was so much not wanting to get the ball to Yao but a bit more that they COULDN'T.
     
  4. wireonfire

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    The problems are not Wesley, Padgett, it is our point guards.
     
  5. daoshi

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    I don't know which one you are talking about, but two of Yao's TOs came from TERRIBLE passes from TMac. One was a bounce pass he tried to put it though two defenders, the other one was a bullet pass when Yao was wide open near the baset.

    First of all, you don't feed a 7'6" guy bounce pass in traffic! What's the chance for the guy to get the ball before any smaller defenders?

    Second, you don't make bullet fast pass when you were that close to each other. Tmac was driving towards the basket, made the pass at about the FT line, while Yao was rolling to the basekt, with his right shoulder towards TMac. Yao might have a chance to catch it had he face TMac, or the pass was high enough, or soft a bit, but that pass was like a bullet, went through Yao's hands at his waist level. That was a BAD pass.

    Look, I'm not looking for excuse for Yao at all, and I think he could have done better in three of those games, and stayed on the court longer. But TMac is the one controls how the game will go because he had the ball in his hands most of the time. If he decides to take over the game by himself, he better to have a better % than anyone else on the team.

    I'm getting more and more frustrated by this stupidity that we somehow found a way to ignore a 7'6" guy in the middle, then repeating the same theme "we better seek out Yao more", "we need to feed the ball to the beg fella". This is not the first time for this to happen, we have been doing this over and over again during the regular season. Don't give me this s**t that Yao needs to establish the better position, or he couldn't hold the position longer enough to get the ball. Yao had many deep positions, but you know what. it's called THREE SECONDS violation if you stayed there too long.

    When a guy shoot at a freaking 70%+, he is 7'6" tall, and he has been made the life miserable for the entire opponent front line, I say he should have the ball everytime we get down the court.
     
  6. daoshi

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    Can you not quote the guy so the IGNORE function can do its job!
     
  7. sidshaw

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    I wonder how many of Yao's shots were putbacks from offensive rebounds?
     
  8. Man

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    What if the refs told Yao if you hit them..we'll call it..which means do whatever else you want....and we won't
    :/

    Sad

    Seriously though Rockets get Yao the darn ball. Shaq gets it at least every other play. Shaq gets it in low post and high post. Shaq passes and stuff. Shaq does the Brad Miller CWebb Divac thing in high post..Songaila does it too..Yao can do it too.

    Then he goes into low post..like Tim Duncan and Ilgauskas..Yao can do that too.

    I don't see Shaq setting many picks..Haslem does that work for their team..and their guards are quick and athletic and good shooters.

    WHAT A TEAM.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    I don't know the stat but my guess is not that many. Yao is getting better but is still weak on rebounds. One problem is that he still occasionally gets passive going after the ball. I remember a few times in the last few games when the ball has dropped not that far from him and he's just stood there watching it rather than going after it. Another problem I notice is that he often swats at it to try to redirect it rather than trying to get his mits on it or tip it up volleyball style to send it back to him.

    While I'm on the subject of beyatchin about Yao one more thing.

    DUNK THE BALL!

    There have been several times when Yao is near the basket goes up for a layup is fouled hard and the ball rolls off of the rim. When Yao is within two feet of the hoop he should be thinking dunk all the way so he has a better chance of the and one instead of just shooting two free throws.
     
  10. NewYorker

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    The silly offensive fouls killed Yao.

    He needs to seek the ball out and find a way to shoot it. Hell, at 60%+, punish Dallas with the small ball crap.
     
  11. Uprising

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    yesterday's game was very frustrating, when MJ took the ball and dribbled it for about 15 seconds, then would jack up a shot late or pass off with little more than 4 seconds left for another player to shoot.

    Tmac needs to touch the ball on every possession. And YAO. he has shot like 72.5% this post season, he needs more shots. MJ had more misses yesterday (8) than Yao had shots (7). :( This is no good.

    Yao, it's up to YOU to not get those weak fouls called on you. It's up to YOU to be aggressive and take over. It's up to YOU to exploit the Mavericks "small ball" where Dirk....FREAKIN DIRK.... is guarding you. You have shot great, but you need to take over!

    TMAC should dribble the ball up the court 90% of the game.

    MJ should not beable to dribble for more than 8 seconds at a time. We already have a moochie norris.
     
  12. VinceCarter

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    rockets will be fine...they always come up big when their backs are against the wall.....monday will be a win for the Rockets.... i don't see how Dallas has shown that their deeper team will win against the Rockets.... the only problem i see is the ending of games... its been those last few minutes for some reason.... i think its more the Rockets fault than Dallas outplaying the Rockets....i have no worries...Rockets in 6!!!
     
  13. AMS

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    every time you say mj, i think that girl from spiderman...

    ill bet you she can handle the ball better than mike james.
     
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    Tiger is just a piece of sh()t.
     
  15. real_egal

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    Don't jump to conclusion too fast. What makes you decide that YOHs don't exist, and only YOFs exist? What makes you decide that those so-called YOH were SOFs before? Tell you what, YOH do exist, even in China, there are tons of YOH, I don't know about the motives behind that. I lurked couple of Chinese BBS from time to time. Whenever Yao had a bad game, some posters would jump up and down joyfully, and claimed that Yao was just a joke, a shame, etc. I don't know where it came from, that kind of hatred. But yes, they do exist and voice their hatred. They were far more aggressive and ridiculous than some of the so-called YOHs here. There are people around the league, not just one or two, there are people in the media, they love to see Yao fail, they hate to see Yao and the Rockets succeed. To me, they are YOHs, I don't know what you would call them.
     
  16. Himalayas

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    This is a post-Magic team, the only thing they enjoy is to let T-Mac shoot as many as he would, the only thing T-Mac doesn't have is the judgement on situations on court. That separates T-Mac from Great player.
     
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    Funniest thing posted all day. Thanks for the laugh.
     
  18. BucMan55

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    I sure would like to see Yao work on his catching skills this offseason. Always hate to see a nice pass by Sura or T-Mac get fumbled out of bounds or into the oppositions hands.

    I wonder if at some point the rest of the offense thinks a bad shot against the shot clock is better than a turnover. Heck, at least you throw the shot up, it might not go in, but with a turnover, you get no shot.
     
  19. real_egal

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    I just saw somebody said that Yao should shoot more and not to pass out whenever he's double-teamed. And you said that he couldn't see double-team coming. One of you must be right, but only one. Whenever some posters say that Yao should get more touches, there are always some convenient answers waiting there: "He has to hold better position, and hold longer." "He has to stay away with foul trouble." But with the new rules, you can double and front without Yao having the ball, how are you supposed to hold that position longer? I suppose opponents players are moving objects, how do you hold them and prevent fronting? Wouldn't that be a foul?

    I watched a little bit Miami game this afternoon. I saw a number of reposts from the guards to get Shaq into better position. Please anyone enlighten me, when was the last time you saw a re-post from teammates to Yao? He kicked it out, he wouldn't see the ball anymore. Do you expect him to get into best scoring position every trip down low? Shaq can't do it, Dream can't do it with today's rule, what makes you think that Yao can and must do it? It takes a collective team effort to get the ball into Yao's hands. Why? Because of his height and shooting percentage, opponents just try every possible means to deny him the ball. What do you do? Just quit because it's difficult, because Yao MIGHT have turnovers, and because the opponents don't want you to? Well, they don't want you to win either, why bother to play then?

    I don't get this. When JVG and bunch of Rockets players came out and admitted the mistake not getting the big fella more touches. I assume they know more about basketball than some of the pseudo-experts here. Why do they feel the urge to come out and dismiss players and coach's acknowledgement that we should get Yao more touches? I don't understand.

    Because of foul trouble, Yao only played 25 mins last night. 8,9 shots in 25 mins for a 70% shooter is still way to few. If everybody is on the move, catch the window of opportunity to pass the ball, like in game 2. When everyone is moving, the ball is moving, and Yao is moving, how can the opponents front? How can he get into "offensive" foul troubles, if he's not fighting for positions. We all know that re-post and high-low might beat the front and get your center into better positions. Why it wasn't used at all last night? Because Yao only played 25 mins? Those "magic" basic strategies have to be deployed only after Yao played 30 mins?

    Yes, Yao is not dominating, not now. He has to improve his rebounding skills, his footwork, his ability to avoid silly fouls, his blocking technique and lots of other aspects in the game. But does that mean we need to ignore him before he becomes another Dream or Shaq? What he has now, can cause enough trouble to the opponents, even those good teams, Spurs, Heats, Suns, Sonics, and Mavs. Why can't we take that advantage and make full use of it?

    When teammates admit error and want to improve in next game, I see that as a very positive sign. But some here feel the urge to come out and point it out very objectively that Yao has this and that shortcomings. It's like some poor guy is screwed by others or beaten up, a bunch of objective observers have to come out and exam that guy's history and tell everyone that the guy didn't pay the full tax two years ago. What does that mean? He deserves to be screwed? I don't get it.
     
  20. Man

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    Yeah I posted somewhere and hope that the Rockets set up plays that incorporate Spurs and Heat plays..to get the ball to Tim Duncan or Shaq...in high post or low post..we need to balance it out..not just make him set picks all day. We should but not every single time..repeatedly...

    Yao needs to work on stamina and gradually work on becoming a great defender like mutombo and a great threat like duncan and shaq
     

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