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5 Words the Rockets need to learn: GET THE BALL TO YAO!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OddsOn, Apr 29, 2005.

  1. rvpals

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  2. rvpals

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    The refs are definitely YAO haters.

    I really think Yao should start swinging these elbows and stick out his knees to fend off anyone coming, and stop being rob and rape in the post. Bodies must be flying and blood must be spilled to get some calls against these flopping Mavs, and to show the blind refs.
     
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    The thing is Yao's teammates has been saying the same thing twice, once after loss in game 3, and now. JVG better have something cooking in terms of using double edge sword. TMac can't do it alone especially in offense.
     
  4. tiger0330

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    YOF = Yao Only Fan
    YOH = Yao Only Hater

    Welcome to the board.
     
  5. tiger0330

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    To me its more important that the role players knock down their shots, in game 2 Yao and T-Mac combined for 61 points but the role players 40 points were critical. I remember several games during the season where Yao and Tracy went off for big numbers but the role players didn't score and we lost. Its obvious to me that even if our 2 main guys go off for big numbers, its not enough without someone else contributing.
     
  6. Aloe

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    I just wish the refs would call things evenly. That 5th foul on Yao would not have been called on Shaq.

    The main problem I see is that T-Mac needs to drive to the hole more often. He creates problems for the mavs defense when he does that and it creates fouls on there big men.
     
  7. Aloe

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    I completely agree with you tiger330 John Barry didn't hit any 3's in the last game I think. Scott Padgett gave them nothing even Mike James has been ineffective the last two games.

    The Rockets can still win this series. But there not going to do if the roll players don't step up. Let's face it guys, Dallas has better talent than the Rockets but they can be had.
     
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    That's my impression too. MJ's play really hurt Rockets in the 4th quater.
     
  9. henrock

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    Hahaha....lalal doesn't know sh*t about basketball and has not been watching anything at all.

    You don't think YAO has forced the opposition to react to him? Why do you think Avery Johnson has gone to a small lineup? You wonder why YAO is chasing guards around it's 'cause otherwise they would be left wide open for jumpers 'cause they are smokin' his teammates. You don't think he reacts to what his coaches tell him?He ended up with 5 blocked shots in the game after trying to take charges in the beginning. He let one ball slip through his hands. Deke did the same, T-Mac lost a rebound and Sura, Bowen and MJ all missed wide open layups. So shut it.

    Get a clue and learn a thing or two about basketball.
     
  10. Pipe

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    Van Gundy is usually a straight shooter, but this is total bs. Foul trouble, turnovers, zone defenses, poor officiating, and Yao's lack of mobility and weak hands all play a role in his limited number of shots.

    BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM is the team's lack of dedication in getting Yao the ball. There are still many possessions when we don't ever even look into the post. In the first half of game 2, we had a least 4 possessions when Yao was covered by Van Horn, and we didn't go into the post once. How about calling a play for Yao in that situation?

    All of this seems obvious. If you want to directly address Van Gundy's assertion, however, then why is James averaging more shot attempts per 48 minutes than Yao (meaning Yao's limited minutes due to foul trouble are already taken into account)?

    This one is more on Van Gundy than Yao.
     
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    I found myself asking four or five times, "Where the Hell is Sura?"

    Seriously, why was our backup PG running the show in the 4th?
     
  12. wireonfire

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    Sura makes bone-headed mistakes. Maybe that is why JVG took him out at the end of the game.
     
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    I agree that T-mac was forcing the issue, but how can you forget the pick n roll when T-mac found a wide open Yao and he just bumbled the ball outta bounds?
     
  14. tigermission1

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    daoshi is a YOF who is full of sh*t, so don't buy much into his false assertions.

    Let's remember that if it wasn't for McGrady passing to Yao, Yao wouldn't ever have that 33 pt performance in Game 2, or get any shots for that matter. But McGrady is going to get his, he is shooting 50% in the series for God's sake! Are you people f***ing blind?! You honestly want McGrady to defer to Yao ALL the time and not seek to dominate? It is wasn't for his 3rd quarter performance, this damn team wouldn't have even been in the game, there would have been no 4th quarter to worry about.

    He tried to "force the issue" because his crappy teammates were tanking it, and were playing nothing short of sh*tty! When that happens, it is on HIM to carry the team offensively, and he did.

    But please, let y'alls selective memory come into play. ANYONE who blames McGrady for the loss, after the type of performance he put on NOT just offensively, but more important defensively, is an idiot who knows absolutely NOTHING about basketball.

    I can't believe there are people who keep saying that kinda stuff, but as I said before: if you are only concerned about Yao's personal stats and his personaly glory, then you MUST hate McGrady. It is proving more and more correct the more I read this BBS.

    And if I am not mistaken, McGrady is shooting 85% from the FT line, so that stupid notion that him and Yao are "missing" FTs when it counts is utterly rediculous.

    Yao is averaging 20 ppg in this series, but the biggest issue is that he is playing ONLY 28 minutes per game! Even LESS than during the season because of his foul trouble.

    Here are the stats of our two stars, and if you think that what they have been doing is not enough for the team to win, then nothing ever will be:

    Tracy McGrady 45.3 mpg (too many minutes), 49.5% FG, 85.2% FT, 7 rbg, 6.8 apg, 1.75 spg, 1.00 bpg, 31.5 ppg

    Yao Ming 28.8mpg (not enough minutes), 84% FT, 7.80 rbg, 2.25 bpg, 19.8 ppg, 5 fouls/game!!!


    If such dominant combo does not win the series for you with the kind of stats they are putting up, then you just tip your hat off to the other team for being so great in eliminating the effectiveness of the your role players. Because you have to be a damn good team to beat any team with this type of combo.

    Conclusion: McGrady and Yao are doing EVERYTHING they can and then some. Everyone acknolwedged before the series started that it was going to come down to which team's role players play best. Jeff honored us before the series began with a misleading "breakdown" saying that our bench is better than theirs (I am still mystified as to how he came up with that conclusion), and now he is being proven dead wrong.

    It is Mavs role player vs. Rockets role players, and so far I will say they are even (they played better first 2 games, played worse next 2), and now the entire series comes down to which team's role players gut it out and win it.

    When Dirk is playing as crappy as he is playing, and his team still wins, that sure tells you something about the level of talent/depth available to each squad.
     
  15. Man

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    I felt like James did not do many good things 4th quarter and was horrible..and I wanted him to give Tmac the ball every time..but I would rather have MJ than BS..

    That picture of Howard and Dampie rfouling Yao makes me mad. Can someone who is going to the next home game make a poster...ARE YOU REFS F'IN BLIND?
     
  16. sidshaw

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    Yao's picks are designed to
    1. free others up
    2. allow Yao to get to the low post

    Yao often runs straight to the low post after a pick without even looking for the ball. I can only assume he knows the pick was not designed for him to get the ball then but later when the pick results in a mismatch for him down low. Problem is (1) is typically the outcome and therefore (2) is seldom taken advantage of. Freeing others up has worked so well that the guards are now conditioned to shoot after a pick rather than get Yao the ball. I'm not complaining because this has been effective. The goal after all is to score, be it Yao or the guards.

    There were many occasions when Yao seemed open after a pick and I'd be thinking "drop the ball off to Yao now!" but then the roller would go on and score too! This has been the modus operandi of the Rockets all year. Do the Rockets play differently now?
     
  17. jopatmc

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    I love Sura and James both for their energy and grit that they bring to the game. All that being said, both of them are horrid entry passers. Throwing bounce passes to a 7'6" center when you are 5 foot away from him? Neither of those guys knows how to space the floor with Yao to allow the room necessary for proper entry. Neither of them wants to pick up the dribble, so they can throw it in. They have to pick up the dribble and then wait for Yao to get set. Too many times they wait for Yao to get set, and then pick up the dribble. By the time they do that, Yao's defender has already fronted him and then they don't dare lob it over the top. They wind up swinging it to the other side and Yao has to do a mad dash through 3 defenders to get post position again.............that if he is not running out to set a pick for Tracy. It's stupid. They should post him up on one side of the floor and have Tracy on the weak side. That will stop a lot of the cheating that the weakside does on Yao. And the guards have to pick up the dribble and trust that Yao is going to get post position instead of wanting to maintain the dribble so they can drive when Yao's defender comes frontside and leaves the baseline open.
     
  18. RocketForever

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    Tiger you always make some good points in your posts and I enjoy reading them. But I found you called everyone a YOF if he has said something about Yao and you didn't agree with it. I think you are capable of making convincing arguments even if you cut this YOF name calling crap.
     
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    Yao can only help himself.

    1) Stop taking charges, play like a 7'6 center.

    2) Avoid moving picks. He's done that almost every time, and
    got away with most of them. Otherwise Refs might be more
    willing to help him.
     
  20. Man

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    Yeah he shouldn't try to take charges. He shouldn't foul..but he should try to block shots or alter them..unfortunately :/ that's tough to do when you're so big and people are aiming to draw a foul..or dunk on you and get a foul :/

    Moving picks yeah..but unfair too when people are grabbing and holding him with two hands.. :/

    He needs to stop complaining. Just dominate YAO!
     

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