I think V-Span is going to have to eat some crow...which is why I posted the "he should apologize" thread. JVG will forgive him if he feels he can help the team....look at Bonzi, who has a horrible assist to turnover ratio but still gets playing time. DD
yeah but the difference is that Bonzi's already proved that he belongs in the league and can help a team (even though he's a punk at times)
You don't give up on a rookie player with skils only half way through his rookie year, particularly one that is coming from another culture. And his cap number is really low.....so no worries there. He will be fine. DD
Cabbage, You have to know that things are going pretty good for the Coach. So, they have to make up SOMETHING to keep the negativity so when we get that 2 game losing streak, EDC and the rest can start posting again. Don't you long for the good ole days, Cabby?
Does playing with scrubs also allow for defenders to tip/intercept his passes? Are you saying his turnovers have only been caused by scrubs botching his passes?
I don't remember Kobe starting right off the bat, do you? I think he was like...um...scrubby the first couple of years? And while sitting on the bench and not yapping how he was the McGrady of high school, he worked on his game, on his jumper cuz really, can you dunk all the time and make it in this league? I don't remember him saying they weren't using his dunking ability correctly. He worked harder and harder and WALLA, a pretty descent b-ball player with the possibility of actually doing something in this league.
Bullsh-t, you are harboring arguments that are now diametrically opposed. Either the guy is "NBA Ready" or he's not (and now the answer is CLEARLY that he is not). It was stupid of you to suggest that he was better inthis aspect than Cassell months ago, given the extensive resume Cassell brought to the table. Now you say that "because [he is] coming from another culture" he needs more time to develop. That's precisely what I said back then, which you repeatedly and vehmemently disagreed with. So just admit it and stop trying to cover up with stupid arguments by blaming EVERYBODY (the coach, the teammates) for his shortcomings but Spanoulis himself. It has nothing to do with his teammates (you think the Rockets starters don't have to deal with Chuck Hayes catching passes? ..nor do his teammates cause him to be UNABLE TO GET BY KYLE FREAKING KORVER, or unable to guard him either.
What the heck ever ! He IS NBA ready, as I have said numerous times, but he still needs time ON THE COURT, in the games to get comfortable. Sam, this is a waste of server space, neither you or I are going to agree. DD
VSpan is not athletic enough to play in this league. What is up with his head fakes he does? That stuff is not going to work in the NBA. He doesn't have any game in him. He can't shoot or take the ball to the hoop.
So you're saying that he's NOT ready for the NBA right now, and requires time to adjust to the game. It's not a waste of space, we finally have consensus, you now agree that he's not "NBA ready" and requires more "time on the court" to "get comfortable". We agree, DaDakota - he's NOT NBA ready...he has a long transition period to go. This is unlike say, a Sam Cassell, or numerous other impact Rookies - something that Spanoulis is not. At least you finally admitted it.
LOL -again, reading comprehension not your strong suite. He is NBA ready, always HAS been NBA ready and continues to be NBA ready. That does NOT mean he is ready to start. But, he is ready for limited action which will make him even MORE ready for prime time. DD
So what you're saying is that he needs more playing time to develop before he will be READY to contribute consistently in the NBA. DaDakota, you're like a kid brother. I have you in an armlock. I'm giving you a noogie. Just say uncle, for god's sake. Do you have any idea how stupid it is for you to argue: "look, the guy is immediately ready to contribute consistently, he just needs more playing time to develop and grow into a consstent contributor?" This sentence doesn't work. I don't need to explain why. 3 months in, It's obvious to anybody that the guy wasn't ready to immediately contribute in the NBA right away, and now you are saying that he needs more time to develop before he is. I don't disagree with that. But I think it validates the initial assessment of him as not ready to be an impact rookie right away.
I was kinda hoping for more replies about why giving space to Spanoulis will hurt defenders ... but no such luck.... I don't like what Spanoulis is doing, but I do think it needs to be put behind them. At the same time, players need to understand when it is their place to talk or not, especially when in Spanoulis's case, he's not backing it up at all. He couldn't even run a decent fast break last night without coughing up the ball. That, and all the head fakes.... He's having trouble shooting... so why would anyone fall for the fakes? They back off for one reason, and that is to guard his penetration. Meanwhile, the spacing inside is nonexistant. I do want to see him get more time, but it'll have to mostly come from Rockets blowouts.
You are combining 2 arguments. 1. Which I said that V-SPan was arguably more NBA ready as a rookie coming in than Sam Cassell 2. V-Span needs time to develop...on the court. I have been consistently saying both for months now......ad nauseum. Just because you are ready to play in the NBA, does not make you a seasoned starter right away. All I have ever said was that he should be getting backup minutes at PG...6-10 a night. And if he plays well, play him longer, if he sucks it up...yank him. I think V-Span will be a good player, a really good player.....but not for 2 or 3 years......but the point is that he will get there SOONER if he is playing. DD
All I've got to say is based on last night's performance, JLIII played his way out of rotation minutes for a long time. 1 for 7, and 3 fouls. We shouldn't see him for a while save another 40 point blowout. He is now shooting 39% from the field and 25% from 3.
JVG was already complaining about him shooting too much before the Denver game, now...man.....JL3 should be in the deep freeze. He can go ice fishing with V-Span, Padgett, and Snyder. DD
