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#4 Pick Trade Packages

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Landry's Tooth, May 16, 2023.

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  1. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

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    How about a 4 way where (if scoot drops to 3) between the blazers magic and nets

    Outgoing 4, 20, Nets assets, and Sengun TyTy
    Incoming Scoot, Claxton, Suggs

    lol
     
    #881 peleincubus, Jun 6, 2023
  2. Landry's Tooth

    Landry's Tooth Member

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    I'm ok moving back over using #4. I like some of the guys later in the draft.

    So let's say it's 4/20 for 6/11....

    Let's say you then move 6 for #13 to Toronto for a future #1 with light or no protections 3 years from now.

    Then take 2 guys for role players at 11 and 13. That could be a rim running big man who can defend, a pure PG project, or maybe a limited 3/D that might develop into a Bridges or Anunoby that makes Martin expendable rather than extending him...

    I wouldn't be opposed to a wing who can just shoot but may be limited on the defensive end or playmaking for now... again, as a role player to develop...
     
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  3. Landry's Tooth

    Landry's Tooth Member

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    Trade 4 and 20 for 6, 11, and 37.

    Then deal 37 and Kenyon Martin to Heat for #18.

    Now you are 6, 11, and 18:

    Bilal Coulibaly
    Dereck Lively
    Amari Bailey

    Sign Harden, Grant Williams...

    Those guys can be backups for 2 or 3 years and all have high potential...

    Gives us insurance if guys don't develop the next ones are behind them.
     
    #883 Landry's Tooth, Jun 7, 2023
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  4. jb86

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    I don’t think we are going to pick anymore young guys because we already have enough. We are only going to add vets this offseason.
     
    #884 jb86, Jun 7, 2023
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    We need one more top 5 player in the draft, we have Green, Sengun, Smith and Eason. If we draft Scoot or Amen, we would have chosen 3 of the top 10 best players in the last 3 draft.


    Scoot or Amen, Green and Sengun are the top 3 draft prospects who could be on our team.
     
    #885 CHAMPBOY, Jun 7, 2023
  6. sydmill

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    Fleshing out a previous mock offseason:
    Trades
    Houston out: pick #4 and Josh Christopher
    Houston in: picks #6, #11 and Tre Jones (sign and traded)

    SA out: Keldon Johnson and Tre Jones (sign and traded)
    SA in: pick #4 and Jonathan Isaac

    Orlando out: Jonathan Isaac and picks #6 & #11
    Orlando in: Keldon Johnson and Josh Chrisropher

    Houston out: KJ Martin
    Houston in: TJ McConnell and pick #26

    Indiana out: TJ McConnell and picks #26
    Indiana in: KJ Martin
    Draft
    6: Jarace Walker
    11: Bilal Coulibaly
    20: Nick Smith
    26: James Nnaji

    Free Agents
    Grant Williams, Donte Divincenzo, & Naz Reid

    Roster
    Jones/McConnell/Washington
    Green/DiVincenzo/KPJ
    KPJ/Eason/Williams
    Smith/Walker/Williams
    Sengun/Reid/Smith

    RGV: Coulibaly, Smith and Nnaji

    I think this offseason primes the Rockets for substantial improvement next season and beyond. With Udoka in place and with the benefit of a true PG (to go along with KPJ playing a point forward type roll with more of a scoring focus) this team ought to improve by double digit wins all the while getting the kids as much PT as they can handle. Also, RGV turns into a true farm team with multiple guys waiting their chance to get called up as the guys in front of them get too expensive or just lose their spot.
     
    #886 sydmill, Jun 7, 2023
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  7. rfrocket

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    Don't know how realistic all the trades are but I like the picks!
    Love the potential of Coulibaly, Nick Smith was the #1 rated High School prospect his senior year and I've wanted us to grab a 2nd rd. pick for Nnaji.
    6'10'' with a 7'5'' wingspan and a great shot blocker and rim runner already!
    Have no problem with him at #26.

    My only change is I would take Anthony Black at #6!


    I like this.
    I have advocated trading #4 for #6 and #11 for awhile but I see people saying 4 AND 20 for 6 and 11 but to me that's an overpay and undervaluing the #4 pick.

    This is better value getting a 2nd thrown in.
     
    #887 rfrocket, Jun 7, 2023
  8. Landry's Tooth

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    The thinking is a competitive team capped out would favor a cheap rotation player like Martin and a non guaranteed 2nd round contract for a guaranteed one in the late first.
     
    #888 Landry's Tooth, Jun 7, 2023
  9. cazyapma

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    Why don't we swap picks with Portland, 4-20 for 3-23?
     
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    because if scoot is there at 3, that pick is worth WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than 4 and 20
     
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    If I were Portland and seriously considering to draft Amen, I would do it in a heartbeat to move up from 23 to 20 if there are not more sweet offers.
     
    #891 cazyapma, Jun 8, 2023
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    they could get some crazy offers for scoot
     
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    I'm sorry, you think Keldon Johnson is worth the 4th pick in the draft?

    Keldon Johnson, 23yo:
    22.0 / 5.0 / 2.9 / 0.7 / 0.2 in 33 mpg, on 55% TS, 1.4 A/TO, -0.9 EPM
    17-46 team record when he played
    6'6 in shoes, 6'9 wingspan

    Kevin Porter Jr., 22yo:
    19.2 / 5.3 / 5.7 / 1.4 / 0.3 in 34 mpg, on 57% TS, 1.8 A/TO, +0.6 EPM
    18-41 team record when he played
    6'6 in shoes, 6'9 wingspan


    ... Can we get the #3 pick for KPJ?
     
    #893 carl_herrera, Jun 8, 2023
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    Seems fair to me.
     
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  15. sydmill

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    You understand that's not the trade, right? The Rockets give up #4 for #6, #11, & a signed Tre Jones. Keldon Johnson goes to Orlando in this scenario for their picks and Jonathan Isaac's non guaranteed deal.
     
    #895 sydmill, Jun 8, 2023
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    San Antonio is giving up Keldon Johnson (and a S&T of a free agent to a team with $70M in cap space, which is worth essentially nothing) for #4.

    What am I missing?
     
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  17. Ish

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    Orlando is interested picks 3-5 range
    If they offer the 6-11 and suggs for 4 and kjm .is that worth it over the 4th pick?
     
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  18. sydmill

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    That getting two lottery picks and a 23 year old point guard who would be the best PG on the roster isn't a bad haul for the fourth pick in a 3 player draft?
     
    #898 sydmill, Jun 8, 2023
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    You realize if one team (San Antonio in this case) is getting the 4th pick in the draft in exchange for a rotation- or low end starter-level forward… your trade is wildly unbalanced?

    In this case you have Orlando giving up #6 and #11 for Keldon Johnson. Hence it is wildly unbalanced in favor of San Antonio and against Orlando. That’s the point.

    Maybe my first post should read: Can we trade KPJ and Josh Christopher for 6, 11, and Jon Isaac? (It’s a rhetorical question, if I have to spell it out)
     
    #899 carl_herrera, Jun 8, 2023
  20. BMoney

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    I mean, sure, it's important that you get the details of this random, completely unrealistic trade scenario correct right away. Lives are at stake.
     
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