3rd Attempt: GOP/Trump Repeal & Replace ACA and Trump lie about pre-exist coverage

Finally someone, a nun, asks one of these people a question I've always had.

 

Update:
Moment of truth arrives for Obamacare repeal
Republicans face a Sept. 30 deadline to kill the law with 50 votes, but many in the party have already moved on....

Even if they move on Trump wants this bigly.

Newshour mentioned something interesting. If the corruption trial of New Jersey Senator Menendez ends with a conviction, Christie would be able to appoint a Republican as replacement, thus securing the 50th vote.

 

So does the Nth attempt go into this thread or get its own new thread?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/20/politics/graham-cassidy-bill/index.html

The federal government's sole raison d'etre now seems to be limited to being a subsidy vehicle for the military-industrial complex. If it's going to shun its obligations left and right under the guise of "state's rights", then maybe they ought to return all tax dollars to the states as well.

There should be a constitutional amendment that the federal tax rate for any given level of income cannot be higher than the lowest/highest/average (pick whichever) of the states' tax rates.

But I digress. This is a healthcare thread.

 

Sounds like the Republicans just want a "win" on this so badly that they don't care about the substance or process of passing it, even when they previously cared. Maybe the threat of facing a primary challenge is motivating this.

Left to their own device, the GOP mentality is this:



They really don't want people to have healthcare.

 

That's been the case since the beginning on this. It's pretty obvious that Trump just wants something he can sign and then claim as "terrific" legislation, regardless of what it actually does or has in it. That's how BS artists operate, it's not the actual substance they are trying to sell, it's just taking the idea of something and selling it as the greatest thing since sliced bread no matter what the results are. And millions of idiots will defend it while continuing to pay thousands of dollars per year in health insurance premiums that provide them with even crappier coverage than they had to begin with. To a large portion of people in this country, it's not what legislation is being passed that's important, it's who's passing the legislation that they care about.

 

If you strike up enough fear and doom , of course people will only think of their families.

They'll think about them so much while the others steal from the government with tax breaks and corporate kickbacks.

 

If there was an insurance plan that only supported healthy people, then would they be kicked off when they became unhealthy? In that case, what are they really paying for?

 

I suspect that, to a degree, "other people's families" mean "[insert racial epithet] families."

 

Republicans want to cut spending on other people, but not themselves.

 

When they realize 'those other sick people' are their family members.

 

Healthcare really is the Achilles heel of the Republican party.

These jamokes screwed themselves by running on an absurdly far-fight promise that they could wave the free market wand and fix health care.

Now they are stuck trying to satisfy the thirst for Obama's blood that defines their base, and the general public that clearly rejects their awful ideas.

The race to the furthest edge of the right wing has left them with no where to go politically.

 

Seems fitting that Republicans make a final attempt by passing the most absurd version of health care reform so far. So this one basically dismantles the exchanges, de-evolves everything to the states and creates a new funding formula that basically hurts most states that opted into Medicaid expansion because that money gets redistrubted to states that opted out. Glad to know that if you opted out of Medicaid just to spite Obama, you get rewarded with money.

Oh and all of the consumer protections in the ACA are gutted because states can now opt out of all of them. And since this bill might fail the Byrd rule, they've created 10 year sunset periods on the block grants of the funding so Republicans will create another artificial health care fiscal cliff in 10 years.

 

Unfortunately there is no where moderately for them to go to get back to power. The primary base of the Republican party is now hard right, and if they go moderate, they will be viewed by their base of voters as Liberals. When John Kasich is now viewed as a liberal to Republican voters, you know they aren't going back. They have to now hold on to their electorate to hold power. That's why they are pushing so hard for harsh voting laws so they can still win elections with the hard right turning out in elections.

IMO if you want the Republican party to change from a hard right party of Bannon/Trump back to a more moderate governing party, you have to follow the what will happen with the money backing the Republican party which is the straw that stirs the drink. If hard right policies are all the sudden bad for business, then that's when the GOP will then have an overhaul. Its hard to see that happening though because hard right policies (climate denial, tax breaks for billionaires, etc) are so far positively affecting GOP donors such as the Koch network, Mercers, etc. The GOP donors are companies that aren't directly impacted by consumer choice. They don't walk into a store and buy some Koch gasoline... they go to the Shell station, etc.

*We will see if consumer based corporations that can't align themselves with unpopular political positions ban together to outspend the Koch's and Mercers of corporate America. It'll be interesting to see if donor money gets shifted around more going into 2018.

So in a way I disagree with you here. I think they go harder right because there is no way to go backwards to moderate as long as their voters continue to go further to the right even though its not the majority of Americans.... still enough to win elections.... IF they can manipulate the voting.

Real great ambassadors for American Values right?

 

I agree with @dobro1229 they are just going to harder right.

McCain is basically a pariah to most conservatives now. He's a RINO and the Trump base hates his guts. Romney? A liberal. Kasich? Lilly livered panty waist.

Trump is changing the dynamic. Now things that some conservatives might joke about privately but then say "just kidding of course" are said by the President of the United States.

An ignorant, disinterested electorate allows this. Too many uniformed voters and all they get out of this Trump nonsense is that he's funny or that he's tough.

The only saving grace is that for many in the Senate their hypocrisy can only go so far. McCain for example doesn't seem to be ok with the idea that his last act on this Earth would be approving this horrible health care bill.

 

What times we live in when we are relying on John McCain, someone so loyal that he would rot in a POW camp that turn on his country, to turn on his best friend Lindsay Graham and vote against his healthcare bill... and we are relying on corporate America to moderate the GOP eventually to prevent a government controlled by the hard right which lets takes away the most essential part of being a Democracy.... a fair vote.

Fun times.

 

I agree with dobro1229's post. It's very sad that we've come to an aging John McCain feeling his mortality for protecting health care.

 

Apologies if this has been posted already but didn;t see it earlier.

 

Rush through another bullshit plan... great idea!

 

That was absolutely fantastic.