3rd Attempt: GOP/Trump Repeal & Replace ACA and Trump lie about pre-exist coverage

I think it's ridiculous to make any claim of success when the individual market in nearly every state has plans that are extremely limited and don't cover the top rated hospitals and doctors in the given area. Yeah, they managed to control the risk by eliminating most of the top rated cancer hospitals, children's specialty hospitals and top surgical hospitals from their plans. Woo-hoo.

Also, silly to point out that rates are being stabilized. That number is skewed HEAVILY by the fact that the reports account for what the consumer pays. The subsidies are price adjusted so the average is artificially kept down by the number who aren't paying the actual price. For a non-subsidized consumer the rates are through the roof.

 

I agree but that doesn't mean it isn't failing.

Blue cross will file another double digit increase this year to cover losses

 

Video title says it all...



Just amazing!!

 

Umm, go Trump, go USA?

 

I bought a family plan through private markets for over a decade (1998-2010). Rates went up double digits every year, long before ACA was in place.

 

I hate having this argument over and over. Rates used to go up about 10% every year.

Last year they went up 55 and this year it will probably be 40.

 

You're the expert and I really appreciate your input, BUT I don't think 10% per year captures the reality for many people in the years 2000-2008. I only say that anecdotally and am not defending an " Obamacare is just fine" fantasy.

Things were ****ed up before 2008, IMHO.

 

It was absolutely a mess. Not trying to say we should go back. That doesn't change the fact that the current system has issues.

The 10% increase is reflective of Texas prior to ACA unless you were sick and got penalized. The new system punishes everyone except the subsidized.

There are people for whom the current system is better:
-people who couldn't get insurance previously because of pre existing conditions
-people who qualify for a tax credit

If you don't get a subsidy you have seen costs rise at an unprecedented pace if you are in the individual market

 

Don't forget the people who were saved from bankruptcies due to the cap.

 

I think I've been very clear for awhile now that improve/fix is the way to go rather than repeal.

 

Completely agree, there are parts of the Obama care that is working and parts that need to be fixed.

 

Meh. It's a political deathtrap right now.

I have no stake in anything politically so it's easy for me to be unbiased. These politicians are such slaves to the electoral cycle. On the Republican side they are paralyzed on one side by what talk radio and Fox News has convinced their voters of and on the other side they are paralyzed by the results of what will happen if they actually go through with what's being discussed.

 

So it is pretty much, the system sucked before hand. Obamacare sucks. The republicans never really had a plan, but the plan they came up with sucks. Sounds hopeless.

 

Single payer system like every other advanced nation from Europe to Asia, what is so hard.

 

It's not so easy to unplug the system that is in place now. We can't tolerate putting a few coal miners out of business and you think we can flip a switch and put an entire industry under.