3rd Attempt: GOP/Trump Repeal & Replace ACA and Trump lie about pre-exist coverage

I'm sure the 99% approval Trump voters are like "well, at least he tried!"

It's sad how expectations are lowered for partisans that we sacrifice process over style and optics.

 

You have to have compassion. After 20 or 30 years, the poor people are going to wage war against the rich and murder them on sight. So the rich need some health-care tax breaks when they are getting attempted-murdered.

 

I'm reasonably certain murder is still illegal in all 50 states.

No option acceptable to you. All of them are acceptable to me. Why do you think it is okay to force the stockholders in a private enterprise to pay for your daughter's healthcare, but it is not okay to require you to pay for it? If we were discussing universal health care/socialized medicine, I could see the argument. That isn't the PPACA though. The current system says that someone has to pay for the care of people with pre-existing conditions, and the people stuck with the bill are the owners of whatever entity they choose to buy "insurance" from.

 

Clearly the argument is about what we can do better.

I don't see the point in Medicare if we aren't going to do much about healthcare before then. I see too many unhealthy boomers about to bankrupt this country.

 

The rich will move to their offshore tax havens long before it gets to this.

 

At some point, I hope, we as a country can have a real conversation about health care. Democrats are ready, Republicans not so much.

The people with money (I'm looking at you Republicans) pay for the health care of those who do not. It is only fair that the payers have a say about how the rest get their health care. They should demand that the poor get taken of, sooner while it is less expensive.

 

Agreed. Here's the thing too. Helping the poor leads to less crime, less health epidemics and a greater quality of life for everyone.

 

That's a new excellent high bar for politician speak.

If "nobody dies because they don't have access to healthcare," then why do we even have a healthcare system? Why fight an infection with antibiotics? Why fight a bad flu with antivirals?

Now, the tough question for him is, if "nobody dies because they don't have access to healthcare," why do homeless people die so early and why did our life expectancy in this country used to be about 40 yrs? (HINT for politician: it's not because we didn't have fast food at the time.)

I am convinced I live in one of the most stupid countries on Earth and it's getting more stupid every day.

 

It just bothers the hypocrisy and selflishness of conservatives. They won't touch Medicare in a meaningful because those voters are political powerful on the one hand, but those same folks will be the ones to bankrupt us.

 

This is one of the many things that drives me crazy about this issue. People don't realize that we already have a public health care option in that medical providers have to provide care because of the Hippocratic Oath. How it's administered though is in almost the worst way possible. I've heard far too many critics of the ACA and now supporters of the AHCA cite that we don't have a problem because can always go to the emergency room as though it some sort of magical medical safety net. Going to the ER without health insurance or anyother way of paying for it has costs that affect all of us.

 

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Yes, hopefully not.

I think every citizen has the moral authority to weigh in on the laws and policies of the country. You can take a position on Affirmative Action, even if you are not a minority. You can take a position on military actions or spending, even if you are do not serve in the military.

Everyone does. You should have the option of advocating against those things you disagree with, shouldn't you? Isn't that what democratic society is about?

I'll ask you again, why do you think it is okay to force the stockholders in a private enterprise to pay for your daughter's healthcare, but it is not okay to require you to pay for it?

Under my proposed system, people would not be allowed to use hospital emergency rooms regardless of their ability to pay. People that could not pay (or have insurance that covers it) would be routed to the free clinics. So people would not be bearing the costs of emergency rooms being used for health care for those who can't or won't pay for care normally.

It would require new facilities being built. I am not saying that people would use the currently existing free clinics, my proposal involves a new system of government health care facilities.

I am aware of the current system, and I don't like it.

I don't make any assumption about Americans ability to afford any level of health care. I am saying that i don't think private entities should be required to subsidize them. Fully socialized medicine is ideologically more supportable that the PPACA. It wouldn't be my preferred system, but it would be in the vein of other governmental programs. My specific issue is with the government forcing private enterprises to act against their own interests by fiat.

 

Came here to post this. Unbelievable...

 

When you look at the whole health care picture, conservatives prefer a system that costs more. They simply can't get over their rigid ideology to see the big pictures.

 

What do you expect from a group that voted for Trump.

 

Tips For Not Condemning Millions

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• Read the thing you’re voting on, particularly if you’ve heard someone mention that it might end up killing millions of people.
  
  
• Do your research: Find out if any of the people you are paid to represent are human beings who use healthcare.
  
  
• Try to better understand the concerns of your constituents by dying a slow, painful death while bankrupting your entire family.
  
  
• See if you can recall any reason besides an all-consuming sense of self-importance and knee-jerk lust for personal financial gain that might once have motivated you to seek public office.
  
  
• Check whether or not a single medical professional, patient advocate, economist, or literally anyone familiar with the subject in question supports the legislation you’re about to vote in favor of.
  
  
• If respect for human life doesn’t interest you, try to remember that sick and indigent people are, at this point, still legally allowed to vote.
  
  
• Acknowledge that serving in public office sometimes means putting aside your personal beliefs about how all poor people deserve to die in a wet ditch.
  
  
• Consider going through the millions of years of natural selection and incremental evolutionary advancements necessary to develop a rudimentary backbone.