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30 Republican Senators approve of rape without recourse

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Depressio, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. Depressio

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    Exactly what I wanted to illustrate (well, Jon Stewart did it first). It's sad, really.

    It would be interesting to see if Democrats have done something similar: vote no for something that should be unanimously voted in, just because Republicans brought the bill up. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they did, and that makes me even more sad.
     
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    Those 30 senators make me want to puke.
     
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    To show how we should all now trust KBR, they've decided to ban employees from having cell phones for their "safety and security".

    To review the facts, after Jamie Leigh Jones reported her rape, she was locked in a shipping container for several days and a guard was placed outside to keep her from leaving. The only way she got out was by convincing one of these guards to let her borrow his cell phone. She called her father who called her senator who created a kerfuffle and got her sprung. KBR, of course, still had plenty of time to tidy up and make the rape kit disapear, among other things.

    Way to go KBR! With good citizens like you protecting the "saftey and security" of employees, government regulation is proven totally unnecessary!

    :eek: :mad: :mad:

    Also, here is a video of Frankin ripping KBR a new one. Anybody who supports KBR should be required to watch this:

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    Too bad they couldn't take a shoval to that lawer's face, then he would be a great shoval face!
     
  5. Rashmon

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    If it was worded like your second example, it would probably pass unanimously.

    Since Halliburton is the devil's spawn beholden to his representative on earth, Dick Cheney, the loyal servants of the GOP must fight to protect it...or risk his wrath.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I said the same thing before when it was brought up in another thread, but to say that the 30 people voting against this measure are "for rape" is downright stupid. They do not approve of rape without recourse any more than you or I do.

    I saw the Stewart piece as well, and he, too is ignoring the reasons people had for voting against the bill.

    By the way, the White House might not even be in favor of the bill as written. Does that mean Obama approves of rape without recourse?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/frankens-anti-rape-amendm_n_329896.html
     
  7. SpiffyRifi

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    It's a little thing called jurisdiction, if the crime is committed on foriegn soil, you can't hear it in the US. It has nothing to do with the citizenship of the complainant or the company she works for.
     
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    the prison guards at Abu Ghra prison committed a crime on foreign soil. wASN'T the case was hear in the US?
     
  9. juicystream

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    You may want to go back and look at the law I cited on page 1, to see that they are subject to US laws. Problem is, the government/military are not enforcing the law.
     
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    It could have something to do with the fact that it is embarrassing as hell and Republicans just want to lie back and think of England and hope the whole ordeal passes by quickly.

    As your fellow conservatives have shown here, this one is pretty hard to spin other than the straightforward, "we value the rights of corporations more than people".
     
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    Military courts are different. The jurisdiction for a military tribunal has nothing to do with a typical criminal court. I promise you, I'm not making up rules on jurisdiction. The US can't just choose to prosecute crimes that take place in different countries. No matter how much we want to - it doesn't work that way.
     
  14. StupidMoniker

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    Arbitration clauses in contracts have been repeatedly upheld, what is it about sexually inappropriate conduct that requires a special law like this? Is Al Franken in favor of workers being maimed by faulty equipment because he allows mandatory arbitration in those cases but not sexual harassment cases? Arbitration is not no recourse, it is an accepted alternate form of dispute resolution. If she did not want to be limited in her legal options, she should not have bargained them away.
     
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    These contractors have been under military law since 2000.

    http://www.pubklaw.com/hi/pl106-523.pdf

    The loophole that is attempting to be used is that contractors are hired by the State department rather than the military directly.

    Apparently the law the House passed 389-30 to give US courts jurisdiction over these Contractors, never even came to a vote in the Senate due to pressure from the Bush Administration. The Senate version was introduced by Barack Obama, but then never came to a vote. With Barack Obama President, it would have seemed wise to reintroduce this bill and get it passed. At least they now are subject to Iraqi law, and many will still be subject to military law. I think I'll write some Congressmen over this.
     
  17. LongTimeFan

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    This is a great post. I'm willing to bet the senators who voted against this have a problem with the language. I would too - it singles out a certain corporation. Had they worded it like the second version, anyone who opposed would be run out of town.

    Good job picking up on this bobrek.
     

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