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3 Point shooting analytic video, the answer to our offensive issues

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by anchel, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. basketballholic

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    This group will not win 50. There'll have to be a major roster shake up for us to hit 50 and frankly it'll be tough to do since the earliest we can make a major move will be halfway through the season.
     
  2. JoeBarelyCares

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    Excellent analysis, this is what we need to do more of. Looks like Rudy T was on to something 20 years ago, even without the benefit of advanced analytics.
     
  3. seeingred

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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mgUvN9a-seQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    *Note that this is Part 1
     
  4. Williamson

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    Not only is Dwight not a premiere post up player - he's a downright awful post up player. AWFUL.
     
  5. RocketsFido

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    part of the issue is because of defensive lapses as well. Whenever opposing teams get a free layup on us, our whole squad looks dejected.
     
  6. anchel

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    I don't think we reach the 50 number but I do believe the team will be between 45-50 and into the playoffs. The team has improved and it has still 48 games left. We are still losing games but we're losing tied games against good teams. It is a good moment to remember that we come from blowouts against mediocre teams, so there's been a remarkable improvement. The team with all its flows it's been a winning team, with McHale these past years and it's going to be with JB. Just not good enough to consistently compete against elite NBa bball when we could have a chance to be at that level by doing things differently.

    I also bet for a couple of roster changes by February, that's going to improve the team but won't change its identity.
     
  7. DraftBoy10

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    Dwight Howard should not get iso post-ups, it's majority of the time a turnover or missed clank. He's a high pick & roll player, primarily. He sets WEAK picks, and doesn't cut hard so he doesn't get his opportunity easily.

    Now, if he runs the court and seals his man under bucket then absolutely dump it down low. That's an And1, each time.

    D-mo? Yes, you can dump it to him and rely on him to score down low. We need to make him our 2nd go to option offensively.

    I didn't watch the video. But these constant impulsive 3pt attempts, and drive & kick 3s are what kills us. I think getting 3s, the way the Warriors do will help. Lots of screens, and basically constant player & ball movement. That's the key.
     
  8. DraftBoy10

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    Such a pathetic way to look at our team. We use to get blown out by the Nuggets, be up by 20 and then lose by 20 the Heat, but there's improvement because we get up by 19 on the Hawks, post 71 but only lost by four.

    Listen, the fundamental reason has stayed the same. We aren't prepared, we aren't focused, we aren't held accountable.

    We don't lack "talent" to be at the top. We lack structure; from coach, to star players, to game plan.
     
  9. Haymitch

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    Imperfect data.
     
  10. HtownTrill

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    The real answer is stop taking all these damn contested 3s . There needs to be more ball and body movement. More off the ball screens to free up the wings for easier cuts to the basket or actually getting a couple decent looks from behind the arch

    Defensively they have to understand they can't get a steal every possession they have to lock down their assignment ,stop giving up the easy cuts to the rim and when the shot goes up . BOX OUT !!!

    the way Brewer is playing KJ has to get some burn
     
  11. fallenphoenix

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    I think a big part of his problem is he never passes out of the post once he starts to post up. Defenses just know they can focus on defending him as he's a black hole. I've been crying out for years to make him pass out of the post more and this video just helps justify that.
     
  12. Junkyard Dog

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    I can see that. I guess that might be the problem with the post and pass portion of our offense. Dwight hasn't been consistent enough to draw enough attention from defenses.
     
  13. aelliott

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    Clutchfans, where we rant over things that aren't problems.

    Contested 3s aren't really a problem. Just because people on CF.net complain about something, that doesn't mean that its really an issue.

    All teams shoot some contested 3s. We shoot just 7.6 contested 3s per game. Of those, 3.1 of them are taken by Harden (mostly step backs) and he shoots them at 35.5% which is good. In fact, Harden is actually shooting a better percentage on contested 3s than he is on uncontested 3s.

    Of the remaining 4.5 contested 3s Thornton shoots the most at 1.3, next is Terry at 1.2 and then Ariza at 1 per game.On the contested 3s taken by players other than Harden we are shooting 27.4%.

    27.4% certainly isn't good but the fact that its only 4.5 shots makes it insignificant. For example, if we turned those 4.5 contested 3s into 4.5 uncontested 3s (which we shoot at 35.6%) that would provide an additional 1.13 points per game. Likewise, if we shot those 4.5 contested 3s at phenomenal 40%, it would only mean a difference of 1.73 points per game.

    We've got way more serious issues to worry about. Such a small number of shots just isn't going to matter that much.

    We get plenty of uncontested 3s, we just aren't hitting them that well. We are currently getting 23.1 uncontested 3s per game and hitting 35.5% of those shots. In comparison, Golden State is getting 24.1 uncontested 3s oer game and hitting 38.6%. San Antonio only gets 16.6 uncontested 3s per game and hits 37.8% on those shots.

    Getting open shots isn't our problem. Its making open shots where we need to improve.
     
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    Lol at calling Dwight a "premiere" post up player
     
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    The olajuwon principle. Find a good post(no need for olajuwon's skills even)up player and surround him with good 3pt shooters.
     
  16. DraftBoy10

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    Do you even know what constitutes "uncontested" and "contested" 3s?

    Do you know the criteria that separates the two, and categorizes them? Go figure that out, and then reply back to the original post.

    These dumb analytics are blinding you fools.
     
  17. DraftBoy10

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    Exactly.
     
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    I'm surprised this hasn't already caught on. A post pass is so efficient compared to a guard dribbling beyond the perimeter waiting for someone to get open. This type of offense is why Curry has become such an animal. He is a wizard with the ball, but his off ball movement is incredible and unmatched. Sometimes its more effective to let him dribble the ball, rather then chase him around (illegal) off ball screens.

    Dmo was made for this type of offense, which is why I scoff when someone insists we trade him. You don't trade your queen in chess for a knight...
     
  19. aelliott

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    The NBA spends millions of dollars to track those stats so yeah its pretty easy to define.

    In fact, the NBA even takes it down another level. They track closely guarded (nearest defender 2 - 4 feet) and very closely guarded ( nearest defender 0-2 feet).

    Likewise, they breakdown uncontested to Open (nearest defender 4 - 6) feet and wide open (nearest defender 6+ feet).

    Its a very cool resource, you should check it out
     
  20. Houstunna

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    Mentioned this last month.....

    Passing from the paint isn't limited to more effective 3PT attempts, but it's also creates better angles for passes to slashers and backdoor cutters.
     
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