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3 NYPD detectives cleared in 50-shot killing of groom

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Icehouse, Apr 25, 2008.

  1. Bandwagoner

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    i guess, but you only get to whine about it if it is whites or koreans.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    was Randy Weaver white? they shot up his whole house and killed his son and wife.


    I guess you didn;t really want an answer to your impossible and stupid question though. Its natural to just keep pulling the trigger. When cops carried revolvers the average amount of shots fired was 4, they stated carrying "wonder nine" autos and it has risen to over 10.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    If the cops had all been white and all other circumstances had been the same, accusations of racism would have been a lot more intense.

    From the facts of the case, it sounds like the police officers at least severely erred in judgment and obviously completely lost control of the situation. However, it doesn't seem to have much to do with race.

    Seems more like a tragedy than an intentional crime, and if there was no intent or targeting the victims because of the color of their skin, how would it be racist.

    I agree with pgabriel about one thing, though - why would they even be doing this huge "investigation" about prostitution being there or not in the first case, sounds like overkill.

    Oh, and because someone asked when police mistakenly shot a white person the last time:
    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/police-shoot-unarmed-white-man-multiple-times/3032182112

    Politically incorrect question: If police officers (no matter what color they are themselves) are more scared of people in typical gang attire and therefore pull the trigger more nervously against those people than someone in preppy clothes or someone looking like a nerdy math genius, and the people in the typical gang attire happen to more frequently be involved in crimes, but also happen to share one color of skin more than other colors, does that make the police racist or prejudiced against people who look like gang members or does it mean that they are just subconsciously playing the odds?

    Who would you be more scared of as a police officer? Someone looking like 50 Cent or someone looking like Urkel? Someone looking like Eminem or someone looking like Bill Gates? If all white people police had to deal with looked and behaved like the Eminem stereotype and all black people looked and behaved like Urkel, do you think they would still mistakenly shoot more black people than white people?
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    Why do you say that?
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    to make a funny
     
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    The question for me is, in the wrongful death suit, who do you sue? The cops for being idiots, or the police department for sending ill-prepared officers? (Yes, I fully understand that their lawyer will throw it all out there and see what sticks. I'm just asking which is correct.)
     
  8. Kim

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    I have been in two situations where cops thought I was some deadly and armed dangerous guy. Total random identity mistakes that had nothing to do with me doing something wrong. Both times, the cops were scared to the core, like if I did any sudden movement or anything close to threatening then I would have been killed.

    So I'm not surprised at all when these tragic accidents occur, especially when the dudes were drunk. It's tough. Cops are always fearing for their lives in intense situations because it is def a dangerous job, but I also think that they make situations more intense then they need be. I know cops should be careful, but I think it's just too much adrenaline and emotion that outweigh any training in calmness.

    So I have no idea what really happened, but imo it's probably something along the lines of the drunk dudes not really knowing what to do, and the cops obviously wrongly thinking they were armed and the cops got scared and went crazy shooting them up because they weren't reacting perfectly to the cops orders, because they were drunk.
     
  9. LongTimeFan

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    Was Randy Weaver shot down by cops? What happened to him is terrible, but it's not the same at all - he was a targeted operation by the government.

    So no, I don't think RR's question was ever really "answered". I don't understand what about it was "impossible" or "stupid" either.

    SJC - that was a horrible video.. never seen that one before. It sounded like one of the cops said he tried to run him over? And he was still alive? Guy was laying on the floor not moving and shots were still flying. Regardless, still terrible.

    Going off what SJC said, I think it's pretty obvious stereotypes played a part in the cops actions. Seems like they got off on the trial because it was a he said, she said. Whether they should be in prison or not, I honestly don't know - but I do know they should never be able to work in law enforcement in any capacity ever again.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

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    Bingo, it's human nature to be cautious in situations that we, as humans, perceive to be dangerous. Those perceptions are fueled by literally decades of statistically significant, data-driven evidence that selected groups are much more likely to commit crimes than other groups. It's exactly as you say -- playing the odds. We do this thousands of times daily for routine tasks, so naturally this logic extends to matters that involve race. It's not racist, it's the product of natural born instincts.
     
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    Sorry, anytime cops fire off 50+ rounds on unarmed men outside of a nightclub with innocent bystanders in the area there is some seriously flawed judgment being used. I need to read up on the circumstances again that started the barrage, but from what i've read so far the police acted inappropriately. Not criminally so beyond a reasonable doubt according to the judge, but anytime you are firing at suspects - empty a clip, reload and continue shooting without any return fire there is clearly a problem. At least one cop did this maybe two depending on the type of gun he had -- the other officer showed at least a bit of restraint only firing 4 times. I'm just not hearing any logical explanation for the amount of force used. I think this is a case that needs to be heard again in a civil court in front of a jury.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    So, why would you have to stop when someone is undercover? I mean some points a gun at me, I am flooring it to get the hell out of there.

    These cops used excessive force.......at best......

    They should have been tossed into prison.

    Too bad they didn't use a .....TASER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    DD
     
  13. Kim

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    I think the undercover thing is a very legit point. I'm telling y'all, when there's guns pointed at you, you **** a brick immediately. Knowing that they're cops tells you that you have to be very very careful and not panic even though you want to. But if the times I was in those situations they were plain clothes undercovers...I'm not sure how I'd react. I might have drove away....I might be dead.
     
  14. Icehouse

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    I followed the case, and feel that they got away with murder. I don't think it's as much a race thing as it is a police brutality thing. I just think it's easier to get away with brutalizing minorities, that's all.

    From my understanding of the case, the cops were undercover and the guys didn't know that they were cops. So just picture yourself walking out of a club and a dude pulls a gun on you....are you gonna haul ass and try to get away?

    I can understand the police shooting after a cop got hit by the car, but not 50 times when there wasn't one shot fired back. Officers are trained and to get that many shots off you have to reload and go at it again. i refuse to belive you can't notice that someone isn't shooting back at you after you have fired 20 shots or so (and I'm being generous with the 20 shots). Not to mention all the bystanders you put in danger by loading off that many times....
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    It is more than decades. It goes back thousands of years. When we saw someone coming over the far hill we had to know if it was time to "fight or flight" or all was OK.
     
  16. Bandwagoner

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    once he is out of the truck (the deadly weapon) killing him is murder.
     
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    Obama supporter Al Sharpton is threatening to 'shut down' New York. Today at a rally he was attempting to incite blacks to protest Sean Bell's death. Unbelievable -- it's like a third world country with these guys...
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    some of the protestors with Al Sharpton were yelling, "Kill the police". Folx, yelling "kill the police" likely is not going to help your cause. at all.
     
  19. Rocket River

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    undersand . .. being scared and human . . that is only for cops

    When a cop is scared and feels threatened . . . they get to kill whoever they want

    when someone esle is scared and feels threatened . . .even though they are not trained nor paid to be calm under fire. . .they are suppose to ignore 'human instinct' and bow to the authority . . that is scaring them and making them feel threaten . . .even if they not sure the authority is legit or not. . . .

    FOR INSTANCE . . . Please google the name : Ida Lee Delaney and Byron Gillum
    these were the big stories i grew up with in Houston.



    Rocket River
     
  20. Lil Pun

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    You just had to throw the "Obama supporter" in there huh? For what? John McCain has no questionable supporters? :rolleyes:
     

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