A superstar - ability to play at a super high level consistently, plays both ends, and take over games when depended upon. 24.4 ppg, 4.4rpg, 5.5apg, 1.7spg, 47.5%fg on just 35 minutes per game And games like last night, on the court with 3-4 other all-stars where he was the shining star, shows why you he is a superstar. Only superstars can have those types of games where they can impose their will and change the course of a game. He's been a top 5-7 player this year easily.
I can't fathom continuing this with you when you think Kobe is declining "ever so slightly." Good lord. He's having the worst shooting year of his career. Kobe is shooting a 52.6% true shooting percentage. This is the worst of his career behind 2001-2002 (54.3%) Kobe is taking 25.1 true shots per 36 minutes. This is the 2nd most in his career behind 2005-2006 (27.9) Kobe is getting 3.6 turnovers per 36 minutes. This is the 2nd worst of his career behind 1996-1997 (3.7) Kobe is getting 1.2 steals per 36 minutes. This is a career low for him tied with with 2004-2005. Kobe’s 4.4 assists per 36 minutes are the lowest he’s had since 2005-2006. Mind you, all these stats went down even more after last night. In regards to WB, the playoffs will start soon. We'll know whether he has learned his lesson. I have OKC going into the Finals, and WB playing a huge part.
lol... He won MVP because he was the best player on the best team. Some of you act like he shouldn't have won MVP but did because of some false premise and didn't deserve to win. He fully deserved to win over anyone else last season and he got it. Dirk won it on 2007 for the same reasons. I personally don't think they're a lottery team, they'd easily make the playoffs in the east without Rose.. don't think there's really any question about that (primarily due to their defense though). They're all inconsistent. They can have spurts of good games and then have spurts of very bad games. Two of them really can't create their own shot, they benefit from good ball movement which is how they get most of their points. From the Bulls games I've seen this year where they haven't had Rose, it's been a team effort to try and get points similar to how the Jazz used to play with Jerry Sloan before Deron Williams arrived. The thing is, they still need a guy like Rose, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs when defenses tighten up. You have to have a guy to break down the defense, you aren't going to win very many games unless you have a guy like that and for them they only have one. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ks7ZQULwAxU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> He does use his teammates. The reason he shoots so poorly is because he's forced to take shots he doesn't want to take. When the shot clock is running down, he has to take difficult shots. He doesn't chuck it up like Westbrook does, he's way more in control. That's why I think he's a better player, he definitely has a better basketball IQ.
No, the premise by which he won the MVP was b/c the Bulls would be nothing without him. You hear this repeatedly in every national TV game that the Bulls were on that it became nauseating to hear b/c it wasn't true. The Bulls are who they are b/c of defense/rebounding; that's their identity. And secondly, there is no reason to explain why he shot that poorly in the playoffs. 39%fg, 24% on 3s, and around 34-35% in the ECF. We have seen superstars with worse talent around them not shooting that poorly, facing the same defenses. Rose is a great player. Don't get me wrong. But he's not LBJ/Durant/Howard status that many think he is. And this year, WB has caught up to him.
Bulls are winning without him. I'd say he's lucky he's in an "Iverson on the Sixers" situation where he doesn't have to spend any energy or focus at all on D because the rest of his team and coach are so good at it, well except Boozer.
LOL how did this thread become a Rose bashing thread all of a sudden? I see some people are still bitter from last year.
No, I don't think so. He won because he was the best player on the best team. I just don't get why anyone would dispute why he won MVP. There wasn't someone more deserving (if there was, there would be people aside from LeBron fans that would bring it up more often). There is a reason to explain it. You can watch the video to see the reasons. That's only one game, there's plenty of other games this season and last that have similarities. Rose is a superstar in my book. Westbrook is not. That's just me though.
You may not think so, but that was the narrative for his MVP run. So you said you think there are 8-9 superstars in this league. Please name them, so i can see 8-9 guys better than Westbrook in today's game.
Westbrook has DEFINITELY been better than Dirk this year BY FAR. How do you not consider WB a superstar, and yet have Dirk on there this year. He's on par with Paul, and has outplayed Rose THIS year. LBJ/Durant/Howard are in another stratosphere of their own. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/NGHerO6hBxM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Sorry, but no. I can't include Westbrook in my superstar list. He's not a better play than Rose. He's having a better season than some of those guys, but I don't believe he's the best PG yet.
No Westbrook isn't a superstar. Dude gets the luxury to play with Durant. He's a score first point guard that relies on transition baskets and pull up midrange game. Watch in the playoffs, just like last year, when there's a bunch of zone and half court offenses. Transition baskets are at a minimum. The percentages and superstars begin to dip.
Yeah they had the best record (62-20) in the weaker conference but if you remember Spurs (61-21) pretty much rested their starting line up the last 2 weeks of the season. As we came to find out, no way were the Spurs and Bulls the best teams in the league. I'm not arguing he didn't deserve it though.
Pretty much. All of those other guys have or have had their own teams and performed at a high level seeing the defenses with a game plan on them. Westbrook is a guy that plays with another star and always has. He somewhat benefits from that and I've never seen him played defensively like I have with other great PGs like Paul, Rose and Williams.
So Kobe wasn't a superstar in the first 3peat when Shaq saw all the doubles? Pippen (Bulls) wasn't a superstar playing with Jordan? Kareem wasn't a superstar in his Laker days playing with Magic? Wade now isn't a superstar b/c he plays with Lebron? What kind of r****ded logic is this? WB can create his own shot, can get to the paint at will, rebounds, make plays, defend, and isn't willing to shoulder the load. Those are all the signs of a superstar. And we have teams with MULTIPLE superstars. Outside of Hakeem and Jordan and probably a few others, name me stars who "increase" their fg% in the playoffs. And last year's was WB's FIRST playoffs run. If he does the same thing this year, then you're right. But he's much better this year than last. A level better.
Sorry but no. Westbrook isn't a superstar. If you believe he is, fine... Most people don't though. You just can't let it go can you?
Most people do. JVG said he was the best PG in the league this year. Many have him 1st/2nd team. Who are you talking to?
