3/2 games

Yeah. I'm not saying he isn't clutch but you have to have that mentality to want to win the game. I'm not going to knock on it too much because Haslem had a good look and Jordan has passed up shots to Wellington, Kerr, etc. before to win games... but I don't know how anyone can compare the two anymore even if LeBron does get a couple of rings. Jordan did this nightly and did it consistently in the regular season and in the playoffs. It's already been 9 seasons for LeBron. I think that opportunity to pass MJ has come and gone.

 

If the play is drawn up for Haslem then he was apprently the first option. Any question?

 

*pre-post note, i didn't see the game but started box score watching at 76-60 and just saw the espn highlights.


this is why you have to love being dwade. lebron goes crazy to get the team back in the game (going 10 for his last 11), hits a huge 3 with a minute left to take the lead, hits the crazy shot with under 30 seconds left to go up 3, while wade misses his last shot, goes 1-2 at the line with 13 second left to only put the heat up 2, leaving open the chance for the loss, and then commits the foul to give up the 3 point play (what is this, last season when scrubs made all sorts of crazy shots in the final minute to beat the heat? devin harris who sucks now getting a 10 foot floater 3 point play for the win? and on a call that's almost never made even during the first 47 minutes to win the game?) that causes the loss. but lebron was hot and passed*** to an open teammate in his sweet spot even though lebron had a defender right on his shooting arm, and now you, dwade, are completely off the hook because lebron didn't shoot. no one will almost even mention your mistakes after the game.


***and this wasn't even a bad pass like the ASG. this was the jordan pass to kerr type of end game pass that i'm sure most followers of clutch shooting stats will say you should make every time because taking the shot lebron had is why game winners are made only about 30% of the time (even by kobe) while open teammates watch on.

what a seeming carbon copy of the ASG. lebron goes crazy to get his team back in a seemingly hopeless game, makes big plays all down the stretch while star teammates mess up, then he does something at the very end that isn't good and all the great stuff he did goes out the window and everyone else's mistakes are forgotten.

 

lebron should just start playing worse during the game so his team doesn't even have a chance at the end. maybe just make 7 of his last 11 instead of 10 and just cruise to a loss. the same passes to open teammates that make him so great and hard to guard throughout the game are obviously stupid plays at the end of the game (even though he has something like 6 game-winning assists in his career, i think the 2nd most behind pierce since '03-'04). forcing up terrible shots and missing them shows true greatness. also, committing bad fouls and missing big free throws show why wade is the true closer of the heat.

 

the play wasn't drawn up for haslem. lebron made a great play and got it to him wide open at the free throw line.

 

And the funny thing is, in this thread we're pointing out how LeBron is coming through and Wade was choking, but as soon as that buzzer sounded, you just knew how it would play out in the media.

Fortunately he has the big Laker game Sunday for redemption before the weekday talking heads can start going in on him.

 

Didn't know Thunder Dan was coaching.

 

No....he should just take it in and get some contact. Obviously he's no natural shooter, but it just seems he's always looking to pass to. When you're the best player in the league, shouldn't you take some of those last second shots?

 

he had the ball in his hands in the closing seconds and made the decision to get them a wide open free throw for the win.

what if haslem made the shot? what if he set haslem up for a wide open dunk rather than free throw? what if he did that then haslem missed the dunk? you can't have it all ways.

 

Steve Nash just pulled one of CP3's old tricks to draw a cheap foul from Deandre Jordan. A despicable play. Hadn't seen Nash do that before.

 

lebron hits the game winner - "lets see him do it in the playoffs"
lebron passes to haslem and haslem hits the game winner - "lebron scared to shoot, has to bailed out by role players"
lebron takes game winner and bricks - "he's not clutch"
wade takes game winner and makes it - "wade bailing out lebron as usual"
wade takes the game winner and bricks it - "at least he's not scared to take the last shot"

/lebron

 

After the PnR, Lebron was one on one against Paul Milsap for an easy layup, quick hook shot or very short fadeaway, or even a potential foul. Instead he passed that up for Haslem's jumper.

Are you telling me Lebron is not quick enough to beat Paul Milsap off the dribble?

 

i'd certainly say crushing league mvp derrick rose into a fine powder in the conference finals (and hitting the series winner) belongs up there with those other examples.

 

this. all of this. it blows my mind that people can actually be dumb enough to think like that, but 99% do.

 

That was not a great play at all. It would be the right play if it was in the 2nd quarter but not when the game was on the line. You don't just give the ball to a role player and tell him to win the game for me. If that play was drawn up for Haslem it would be Spoelstra's fault. If Lebron just passed it up then it's all on him.

 

that's an extremely out of context question. doesn't really pertain to the situation, given that it doesn't take into consideration the lack of distance between where he passed the ball and the basket, milsap not being the only person defending him, etc.

but, yes, if lebron and milsap were playing one on one, and milsap was bodying him at the top of the key, lebron could beat him off the dribble.

 

any way of you objectively saying what your reaction would have been if haslem made the shot?