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26 States Now in Obamacare Lawsuit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by cml750, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. mc mark

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    Does anybody even listen to that freakazoid krauthammer anymore? He's like Cheney sitting over in a corner and muttering to himself.
     
  2. rimrocker

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    Tea Party Patriots! Unite behind the true intentions of our Founding Fathers!

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    Looks like the view of the Founders is clear on this topic. I expect everyone to now be in favor of Obamacare.
     
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    Great find! Case is closed. Throw the law suit out. That really says all that needs to be said in the matter.
     
  4. basso

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    there'd need to be 29 to be more than half the 57 states.
     
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    Interestingly enough, while Washington AG Rob McKenna is a Republican, he won reelection in 2008 with a 59% majority. This included 53% in heavily Democratic King County. It is not exactly like all of these AGs are hard core right wing.
     
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    U call paying into ss as a mandate to savings? I don't think paying into a fund that distributes your money to others is called savings, I call that redistribution of wages earned. It's called f u u stupid middle class, all of you are capable of doing great things, you, you disgusting infidel middle class. We, the elite, shall implement every mechanism to slow your progress. We will even take money that we've paid you, and mandate that a portion of those funds be redistributed under the guise of helping our elders. The middle class is always going to get the shaft , unless of course we have revolutionary thinking such as mc mark's, who believes as long as we r a socially conscious u.s, we are heading in the right direction, u go boy!
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Social Security is socialist...sure. You can say that. Of course, it's ironic considering socialism actually advocates the opposite - it's more about limiting gov't...but ya know, words get twisted and turned in to buzz words until the meaning and points are truly garbage.

    Welcome to politics.

    Look, I say we should end the Hippocratic oath. That hospitals and doctors don't have to treat people in dire need even if it's life threatning.

    That would reduce health care costs more than any policy or suggestion from lawmakers. In fact, it could cut costs by a massive margin.

    Of course, if you ever get hurt and knocked unconscious without identification though....
     
  8. robsanchrox

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    oh yeAh it's pretty ironic how prison is meant to rehabilitate offenders but actually does the opposite by grouping criminals together in a sort of meeting of the criminal minds. I seem to to have a great deal of misconception in the good that socialism has to offer, please explain...
     
  9. mc mark

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    more lies from republicans on repeal --

    Rep. Michele Bachmann Falsely Claims Americans ‘Overwhelmingly’ Want Health Care Reform Repealed

    Bachmann has never received anything better than a rating of “false” from the Pulitzer Prize-winnning fact-checking website PolitiFact — “We have checked her 13 times, and seven of her claims to be false and six have been found to be ridiculously false,” PolitiFact editor Bill Adair said — and she won’t break the truth barrier with this statement.

    An AP poll released Sunday revealed that only one-in-four Americans — just 26 percent — want the health law repealed. An ABC/Wall Street Journal poll released this week found that “just 18 percent favor repealing it entirely.” And a New York Times/CBS poll released today found that just 20 percent of Americans want to fully repeal the health reform law. And as the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent notes, even those numbers may be inflated:

    Moreover, Bachmann is flat out wrong when she says “the more people learn about what’s in Obamacare…the more they dislike this bill and want it gone.” In fact, the exact opposite is true. As the Center For American Progress’ Ruy Teixeira noted, “most parts” of the Affordable Care Act are “actually quite popular,” and polls consistently show that Americans are more supportive of the law once they are told what’s in it.

    But Bachmann is hardly the first Republican to falsely claim that the American people are on their side:

    – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH): “We made a commitment to the American people. We’re listening to the American people. They want this bill repealed.” [1/6/2011]

    – Rep. Steve King (R-IA): “[T]he American people have consistently and correctly demanded that Congress uproot the law from the U.S. Code.” [1/18/2011]

    – Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): “House Republicans have listened to the American people by acting to repeal this law. The question is whether the White House and its allies in the Senate will follow suit and support similar legislation that responds to the will of the people.” [1/19/2011]

    Republicans are surely welcome to continue telling the American people that the American people favor repeal — unfortunately for them, it’s simply not true. Former GOP Senate Majority Leader Bill First understands this, and urged Republicans not to repeal the law this week.
     
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    The GOP has been lying from the very beginning about health care. It's no surprise that they continue to lie about it now.
     
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    An occupational tax for every single occupation? I wonder why this wasn't instituted in 1798? That's a great idea!
     
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    linked above:

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    PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — A federal judge declared the Obama administration’s health care overhaul unconstitutional Monday, siding with 26 states that argued people cannot be required to buy health insurance.

    U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson agreed with the states that the new law violates people’s rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties. He went a step further than a previous ruling against the law, declaring the entire thing unconstitutional if the insurance requirement does not hold up.

    Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law and that the case should be dismissed.

    Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said Monday the department strongly disagrees with Vinson’s ruling and intends to appeal.

    “There is clear and well-established legal precedent that Congress acted within its constitutional authority in passing this law and we are confident that we will ultimately prevail on appeal,” she said in a statement.

    The final step will almost certainly be the U.S. Supreme Court. Two other federal judges have already upheld the law and a federal judge in Virginia ruled the insurance mandate unconstitutional but stopped short of voiding the entire thing.

    At issue was whether the government is reaching beyond its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce by requiring citizens to purchase health insurance or face tax penalties.

    Vinson said it is, writing in his 78-page ruling that if the government can require people to buy health insurance, it could also regulate food the same way.

    “Or, as discussed during oral argument, Congress could require that people buy and consume broccoli at regular intervals,” he wrote, “Not only because the required purchases will positively impact interstate commerce, but also because people who eat healthier tend to be healthier, and are thus more productive and put less of a strain on the health care system.”

    Obama administration attorneys had argued that health care is part of the interstate commerce system. They said the government can levy a tax penalty on Americans who decide not to purchase health insurance because all Americans are consumers of medical care.

    But attorneys for the states said the administration was essentially coercing the states into participating in the overhaul by holding billions of Medicaid dollars hostage. The states also said the federal government is violating the Constitution by forcing a mandate on the states without providing money to pay for it.

    Opponents of the health overhaul praised the decision within minutes of its release Monday afternoon. House Speaker John Boehner said it shows Senate Democrats should follow a House vote to repeal the law.

    “Today’s decision affirms the view, held by most of the states and a majority of the American people, that the federal government should not be in the business of forcing you to buy health insurance and punishing you if you don’t,” he said in a statement.

    Florida’s former Republican Attorney General Bill McCollum filed the lawsuit just minutes after President Barack Obama signed the 10-year, $938 billion health care bill into law in March. He chose a court in Pensacola, one of Florida’s most conservative cities. The nation’s most influential small business lobby, the National Federation of Independent Business, also joined.

    Officials in the states that sued lauded Vinson’s decision. Almost all of them have Republican governors, attorneys general or both.

    “In making his ruling, the judge has confirmed what many of us knew from the start; ObamaCare is an unprecedented and unconstitutional infringement on the liberty of the American people,” Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott said in a statement.

    Other states that joined the suit are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyo
     
  15. mc mark

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    States with Democratic Governors bolded and underlined........I found it interesting.......
     
  17. Major

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    Given that none of these opinions matter until it gets to the Supreme Court, you'd think you'd hold off after your "Rahm gets thrown off the ballot" post.
     
  18. Major

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    Why? The governors doesn't decide whether to file those suits.
     
  19. rimrocker

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    There's only one that really counts and his name is Anthony Kennedy.

    I'm not particularly optimistic.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Obama Care will be overturned. It's quite clear that it will be a 5-4 vote as the SCOTUS is now a political institution and no longer truly an independent judicial branch.

    But I hope the court stays consistent and rules Social security unconstitutional as well. Because that's the precedent.
     

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