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26 States Now in Obamacare Lawsuit

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  1. cml750

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110118/ap_on_re_us/us_health_overhaul_lawsuit

    26 states join Obama health care lawsuit in Fla.

    PENSACOLA, Fla. – Six more states joined a lawsuit in Florida against President Obama's health care overhaul on Tuesday, meaning more than half of the country is challenging the law.

    The announcement was made as House members in Washington, led by Republicans, debated whether to repeal the law.

    The six additional states, all with Republican attorneys general, joined Florida and 19 others in the legal action, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi said.

    "It sends a strong message that more than half of the states consider the health care law unconstitutional and are willing to fight it in court," she said in a statement.

    The states claim the health care law is unconstitutional and violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties.

    Government attorneys have said the states do not have standing to challenge the law and want the case dismissed.

    Lawsuits have been filed elsewhere. A federal judge in Virginia ruled in December that the insurance-purchase mandate was unconstitutional, though two other federal judges have upheld the requirement. It's expected the Supreme Court will ultimately have to resolve the issue.

    "It is important to note that two of the three courts that have reviewed this law on the merits have found it constitutional, and those decisions _as well as two others the government prevailed on — are pending in courts of appeal. At the same time, trial courts in additional cases have dismissed numerous challenges on jurisdictional and other grounds that have not been appealed," Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said.

    Meanwhile, the White House dismissed an expected vote on repealing the law, saying the Republicans' push was not a serious legislative effort. Democrats have a majority in the Senate and they have said they will block repeal in that chamber.

    In the Florida case, the states also argue the federal government is violating the Constitution by forcing a mandate on the states without providing money to pay for it. They say the new law gives the state's the impossible choice of accepting the new costs or forfeiting federal Medicaid funding.

    Florida U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson could rule later this month whether he will grant a summary judgment in favor of the states or the Obama administration without a trial.

    Florida's former Republican Attorney General Bill McCollum filed the lawsuit just minutes after President Barack Obama signed the 10-year, $938 billion health care bill into law in March. He chose a court in Pensacola, one of Florida's most conservative cities. The nation's most influential small business lobby, the National Federation of Independent Business, also joined the suit.

    Joining the coalition in the Florida case were: Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Ohio, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

    The other states that are suing are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington.
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    If you count Virginia and Michigan there are 28 states suing the federal government over Obamacare.
     
  2. cml750

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    My bad, there are 27 counting Virginia. Michigan was counted in the 26.
     
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    Half of the country? Or half of the states with republican AGs?
     
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    Cause it's interesting that there's a couple of reports out today saying criticism of the new law is waning and republican support for repeal is crumbling.
     
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    Bob Dole-care sucks.
     
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    I found this with a quick google search. 42% of the people polled were Democrats while only 36% were Republican. Some polls can be easily skewed like this.


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    Two New Obamacare Polls Have High Numbers of Democrats, Misleading Questions


    Two new polls show declining support for fully repealing Obamacare. Does this mean the GOP, on the verge of passing a bill repealing Obamacare in the House, should back down?

    Not so, say GOP pollsters, who argue that the poll questions are poorly worded and that the demographic samples include a disproportionate number of Democrats.
    Take the AP poll, which shows that 40 percent of adults support Obamacare and 41 percent oppose it. In November, the last time the AP polled this question, 38 percent supported Obamacare and 47 percent opposed it. But the sample in November was very different: 38 percent Republican and 39 percent Democrat. The sample in January wasn’t so balanced, with 42 percent of the responders Democrat and 36 percent Republican.

    Even with the skewed demographics, Kellyanne Conway, president of the polling company, inc./WomanTrend, points out that there also remains “a huge difference in intensity,” with 30 percent strongly opposing Obamacare compared to 21 percent strongly supporting it.

    Conway also notes that when asked if they would favor a law “that would require every American to have health insurance, or pay money to the government as a penalty if they do not, unless the person is very poor,” 59 percent are opposed. “When they actually hear what the health care reform is, they’re opposed to it,” she says.

    The Marist poll finds that 35 percent of registered voters would like Obamacare changed so that it could do more, 13 percent would like it to do less, and 30 percent would prefer the law be fully repealed. But again, the numbers aren’t equal: 35 percent of those polled were Democrat, and 28 percent Republican. Exit polls for the 2010 election found equal numbers of Democrat and Republican voters, both parties represented by about 36 percent of voters respectively.

    In addition, a GOP strategist notes that someone who favors buying insurance across state lines or reforming medical malpractice could interpret the Marist poll choices such that he picks the option that he would like Obamacare to do more.

    But the pollsters also point out that many voters didn’t just want Obamacare repealed — they also wanted it replaced with a better system, a distinction that they fear these two polls didn’t adequately address with their word choices. John McLaughlin, CEO of McLaughlin and Associates, notes that when his firm asked voters in November if they would prefer to leave Obamacare as is, or repeal and replace it, 30 percent preferred that Obamacare be left in place, and 60 percent wanted it repealed and replaced.

    Pollster Scott Rasmussen says that the GOP shouldn’t interpret these new polls as a signal to slow down their efforts to repeal Obamacare.

    “People expect the Republicans to do this. It’s an absolutely essential thing for them,” says Rasmussen. “If they didn’t repeal it, the Republican party would be in deep trouble with their own base.”

    “People plainly spoke all through 2010,” agrees Conway. “They expect this new Congress they put there to repeal it. And they expect them to work on something different.”
     
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    I think we know where Mr. Rasmussen's allegiance lies.

    Anyway I'm very interested in seeing how republicans convince people that this law needs repealing. Never mind presenting a better idea
     
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    Repeal will go nowhere before 2012. The vote in the house will be to put everyone on the record again as to where they stand on the law for the 2012 elections. Florida and the other states plan to petition the SCOTUS for this suit to be fast tracked to the SCOTUS and skip the appellate courts. With so many states participating, I believe their petition will be granted. I also believe the SCOTUS will find the law unconstitutional before any serious repeal efforts get under way. If not, I believe this law is unpopular enough to sweep in a large Republican majority in both chambers of congress and also reclaim the white house in 2012. Then the law will be repealed and replaced.
     
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    okay! Good luck with that!
     
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    It would be a big surprise if the SCOTUS does repeal it. For one, I think they would create a contradiction (beyond just legislating from the bench).

    If they say that the federal gov't can not force people to pay for their own health care in the form of a tax or tax penalty, then that essentially wipes out Social Security as well. Social Security is nothing more than a mandate that people have to pay into retirement savings.

    It will be very interesting to see if the SCOTUS will stay true to interpretation or end up falling into partisan politics. If they repeal health care, than they should rule Social Security unconstitutional as well.
     
  12. Pizza_Da_Hut

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    So over half the nation is incompetent? That sounds about right...
     
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    Of course they are. Politicians were making way too much money from corporate healthcare.
     
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    Maybe you missed this part of the poll.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/16/politics/main7251893.shtml

    There's your party breakdown. It's mostly Republicans that are opposed to the bill.

    And you know that most of the Democrats who don't like the bill are against it because they feel it doesn't go far enough, right?

    Don't forget that the Marist poll shows that 35% want the bill to do more, 14% want it to do less, and only 30% want full repeal. In the Marist poll, 42% identified themselves as conservatives, 34% as moderates, and 23% as liberals.

    The CNN Poll from December showed that only 37% opposed the bill because they thought it was too liberal. While 43% favored the bill and 13% felt that it wasn't liberal enough. According to that same poll, 44% of Republicans were against preventing insurance companies from dropping coverage for people who became seriously ill, 43% of Republicans were against preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
     
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    How is that skewing the results? Last time I checked, there were more registered Democrats than Republicans. If that's still the case, having equal numbers of the two would be skewing the results.

    By the way, how many of these 26 states are still applying for funds allocated by the health care reform bill?
     
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    I hope the SCOTUS does repeal it, burn it all down--seriously, let the radical conservatives wear the crown of thorns they so desperately want. Let them acheive their dream of reducing government and it's services to something that can be drowned in a bathtub.

    Cut all taxes, slash medicare/ss untill they don't exist. Abolish the department of education, privatize the schools and flush the Fed and any and all regulations on ANYTHING down the toilet.

    Instead of just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titantic, Throw those mf-er's over board!!
     
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    Sometimes I feel that way too. Unfortunately, it's not only those voting against their own self interest who will be hurt.
     
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    More indications that republicans in congress are wasting America's time with this bogus repeal effort.

    A new Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday found that only 18% are in favor of completely ejecting the health care overhaul passed last year, which Republicans dubbed "Obamacare."
     
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    Im not a fan of Social Security, but its a completely different argument. Obamacare is forcing people to buy a private product. Nevermind the said product is corrupt from top to bottom.
     
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    Would be epic.
     

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