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2025 Hypothetical Astros Trades Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Snake Diggit, Apr 9, 2025.

  1. IdStrosfan

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    Robert has actually been GOOD for over a month now.
     
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    If I was in the market for a CF, I would go for Robert over Mullins, depending on the price, which I suspect will be far more.
     
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    Yes of course on the cost. Elias and Syd and the gang are all really smart. I assume that will make them realistic on what Mullins value is and they will get a deal done.
     
  4. Snake Diggit

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    Astros get:
    SP Dylan Cease
    IF Brandon Butterworth

    Padres get:
    P Miguel Ullola
    P Bryce Mayer
    SP Colton Gordon
    OF Chas McCormick

    Astros get a ToR rental without going over the CBT. They also get an interesting infield prospect to improve their depth in the upper levels. Padres get 2 very high upside pitching prospects who should be ready next year, plus Gordon, who they can slide into Cease’s spot in the rotation or flip him for a lesser pitcher like Heaney. McCormick gives them a flier to test out in LF, their weakest lineup spot. Padres still have Pivetta-King-Darvish atop their rotation if they make the playoffs, which currently sit at <50/50 odds.

    Framber-Brown-Cease-Walter is about as good of a playoff rotation as you can ask for, and it allows Houston to sort through McCullers, Gusto, Javier, Arrighetti, and Garcia as bullpen arms to supplement the 5 high end RP they already have. That pitching staff could carry Houston to a ring, especially if Pena and Alvarez (and maybe even Paredes) are back for the playoffs.
     
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  5. IdStrosfan

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    The issue I have with this is that SD is actively looking for OF help and if they trade Cease, that is what they will want.

    They are competing, so they need an OF who they expect to help now, not a project they hope to fix and prospects.
     
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  6. whiskeyred

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    Pass on Cease and he's not a fan of the Astros Organization
     
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  7. SamCassell

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    He's had 3 good series in a row, after 4 bad series before that. It's positive signs but I'm not sure he's demonstrated enough to conclude he's back to relevance.

    One of the worst hitters in baseball for 2 years running, making $15m this season, going to cost $4m to buyout his contract in the offseason unless the team's excited about the $20m option for next year. I wouldn't touch that contract.
     
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  8. Hoothrewpoo

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    Since 06/25/25, Robert has been equal to Taylor Trammell (over that same span) in all categories other than BA (Robert higher) and OPS (Trammell higher). Their WAR is similar (Trammell has the edge), hits are similar (Robert has a slight edge) and HR (both 2). Going over the CBT to sign Taylor Trammell 2.0 (and adding $6.5M more in payroll) sounds pretty ridiculous at this point.
     
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  9. toby

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    I'd go out and get Robert. I'm pretty sure his turn around happened in the Diaken series. Don't underestimate the fun that he and Yordan would have . . .
     
  10. IdStrosfan

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    What are you talking about?

    Since 6/25/25 Robert has a 174 wRC+ and 0.6 fWAR in 12 games. Thats an 8.1 WAR pace.

    Trammell has a 113 wRC+ and 0.4 fWAR in 20 games. Thats a 3.2 WAR pace.

    Robert was hurt part of that time so its a small sample size - discuss that, perfectly legitimate.

    Trammell has been perfectly fine, especially considering the salary difference - discuss that, perfectly fine.

    But to say they have been equal in any way is disingenuous.
     
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  11. Hoothrewpoo

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    You're moving the goal post, which seems to be a common trend. Robert Jr has 0.6 WAR total on the season. Trammell, in the same span Robert Jr has gone from negative WAR to 0.6 WAR, has 0.5 WAR (06/24 - 07/23). Trammell in his first 20 games of the season has (almost) matched the WAR output that Robert Jr has in 80+ games. I get it, you have a thing for Robert Jr. You have pined for him on this board for several years. The Taylor Trammell we have today is (almost) equal to the Luis Robert Jr you want today.
     
  12. Snake Diggit

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    Winds seem to be blowing a little more toward a buyers market this week. Guardians, Twins, and Diamondbacks all seem to be waving the white flag. Would be good if the Reds, Cardinals, Angels, and Rays could go on a losing streak over the next 5 days.
     
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    Brother you literally said since 6/25 they have been equal players and that’s entirely not the case lol
     
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    Yeah, there should be enough sellers to make rentals affordable. I think the Rays will listen regardless what happens over the next week.
     
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  15. Hoothrewpoo

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    other than batting average... they essentially have been. Robert Jr has 3 more hits in 8 less games. Same number of HR. Trammell has 2 more doubles. Robert has 3 more steals. Robert has 2 more RBI.

    I get that the number of games differs, but that isn't a penalty to Trammell. Robert Jr has a difficult time staying on the field.

    to clarify, I'm talking straight production across a similar time period.
     
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  16. Snake Diggit

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    Cardinals deadline strategy is big since they have 4-5 players that would interest Houston.
     
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  17. Htown Stros

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    Luis Robert Jr since 6/25 is batting .351/.442/.541. Trammell is .217/.339/.413. That is not similar.

    And for the record, I'm not even advocating trading for him. I understand he's been bad, the CBT hit we'll take, and the fact he does have an injury history. That said, Luis Robert has had stretches where he can absolutely carry an offense. If we had unlimited resources like the Dodgers, I would absolutely take the gamble on him the rest of the season.
     
  18. Nook

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    Stop trying to trade Michael Ullola ;)
     
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  19. Nook

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    Trammel is a great guy supposedly and I hope he finds a way to play in the big leagues to the point he gets his pension vested. However, Robert ***** out more talent each morning than Trammel has in his entire body. Robert is a very serious high level talented player that has the top 3-5 in baseball type physical skills. As a result - I think someone will over pay relative to production thus far. I would be excited if he joined the Astros because there is a real possibility he would start producing. The mans tail spin perfectly aligned with him saying that he doesn't want to play if he isn't going to be on a winner.

    He also has some weird workouts, he throws softballs from the wall in centerfield to home as a workout, and also throws metal weighted balls.
     
  20. Nook

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    It depends on if you are a gambling man or not. The Astros may be adverse to paying the possible buyout of 4 million and losing a prospect - but there are other teams that would gladly roll the dice on a guy like that. Having said that, there is no way in hell I would ever sign him to a multi-year deal.
     

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