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2024 NFL Draft Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Rockets34Legend, May 1, 2023.

  1. conquistador#11

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    Browns are going to finish 9-8/ 10-7, so anywhere between 17th- 21st if the trend for the past 2 seasons hold. I like the players listed in that range.
     
  2. Michelle24

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    More like 20th.
     
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    I was actually thinking about Stover the other day. Played well with Stroud. Would be an interesting option.
     
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    Not that I want to get into the middle of this feud, but wouldn't you expect any QB to fall off when faced with the best competition? Just from a LOGIC standpoint?
     
  5. Marshall Bryant

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    This is the potential of sports. Two people who would never agree on anything outside of sports find something we can agree on. Keep this a sports ONLY zone.
     
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    To 51%, 1/1 TD/INT ratio and less than 200 YPG? NO!
     
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    When you are as good of a prospect as Caleb is, you wouldn’t expect such a significant drop off.

    From a logic standpoint, he will struggle in the NFL when he is facing the best competition weekly. But of course it doesn’t work exactly like that.
     
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    When you are as good of a prospect as Caleb is, you wouldn’t expect such a significant drop off.

    Then logically, he will struggle in the NFL when he is facing the best competition week in week out. Of course, it doesn’t always work out like that.
     
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    It used to be labelled - Not Grounded.
     
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    I'm old. It was a polite way of saying arrogant jerks.
     
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    So funny people are getting stuck into the box scores for both Caleb and Maye after the recent performances.

    Yes they’re both flawed a little at this stage but they’re great prospects still. I’ll break it down after work but these two are still getting drafted top 4, unless an injury hits.

    We also need to stop throwing out generational every other year.
     
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    Thankfully we don't have to roll the die on a quarterback - again. We have our guy and now we just need a few more pieces to play for it all!
     
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    QB rankings, some of these guys need to go back to school though to refine their game next year.

    Day one picks:
    1A - Caleb Williams
    1B - Drake Maye

    Day two picks:
    JJ McCarthy (late second)
    Tyler Van Dyke (third)
    Shauder Sanders (third)
    Michael Penix

    Day three picks:
    Jayden Daniels
    Quinn Ewers
    Riley Leornard
    Carson Beck
    Michael Prad
     
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  19. Sooty

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    Caleb Williams
    His strengths include an elite arm talent, exceptional playmaking abilities, and a dual-threat capability as he can run as well as he throws. His ability to make accurate throws from various platforms and angles, execute RPO plays, and extend passing plays with his athleticism, have drawn comparisons to NFL stars like Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts.

    However, Williams' performance has been inconsistent, with a particularly challenging game against Notre Dame, where he threw three interceptions due to poor decisions and inaccuracy. He also struggles with timing throws over the middle and finding checkdowns.

    Another concern is his performance in the pocket. While he excels in throwing on the move, Williams needs to improve his pocket presence and progression. His 'time to throw' ratio and 'pressure to sack' ratio have also been flagged, but these are areas that can be improved with experience. This is down from 3.3 seconds last year to 3.1 seconds this year.

    There are also concerns about his transition to the NFL, particularly outside of Lincoln Riley's scheme. Furthermore, the performance of the USC offensive line and receiver issues have been noted as contributing factors to his up and down season.

    Despite these challenges, Williams is still considered a strong first-round pick with the potential to lead USC to a successful season. Most importantly, it appears Williams is aware of his areas for improvement and is likely working to address them.

    Drake Maye

    He is known for his physical abilities, high passing statistics, and strong arm. Additionally, he has shown promising athleticism and agility during his games.

    Nevertheless, Maye's performance is not without its flaws. He sometimes exhibits reckless tendencies, and decision-making under pressure is an area where he could use some improvement. His progress through his reads could also be faster .

    Despite facing a challenging game against Virginia where some may argue he had a poor performance, Maye's game tape showed otherwise. There were instances of legitimate drops by receivers that were not his fault and a touchdown that was called back due to penalty. Maye's confidence in his arm and legs is evident in his gameplay, even though it sometimes leads to risky decisions.

    An interesting point to note is Maye's basketball background, which is reflected in his game. He tends to go into a kind of heat-check mode when he's leading, a tendency he needs to reel in. However, his overall pocket movement is good, even though he sometimes drifts backward, trying to create a play.

    Contributing to Maye's footballing toughness are his three older brothers, all high-level athletes. Growing up playing sports with them has elevated his game and developed his toughness. Despite some areas for improvement, Maye's potential is significant, and he is expected to be among the top picks.

    JJ McCarthy
    He is known for his remarkable arm talent and potential. Standing at 6'3", however, weighing just 202 pounds, McCarthy has demonstrated impressive abilities both on and off the field. In his sophomore year, his performance was particularly notable with 208 completions out of 322 attempts (64.6%), leading to 2,719 yards, 22 touchdowns, and only five interceptions. A key strength is his ability to extend plays with his legs, and he shines when throwing on the run. His intangibles are also considered off the charts .

    Despite these advantages, McCarthy also has areas for improvement. He tends to struggle with touch and loft on long passes and has inconsistencies with ball placement. His ability to read the middle-field and his pocket presence also need refinement. McCarthy's frame, which is considered lean, raises concerns about his ability to withstand NFL hits.

    A unique statistic that sets McCarthy apart is his efficiency; 56% of his attempts result in a first down or touchdown, the highest percentage in the FBS. This demonstrates his productivity and his ability to make the most of each throw. Yet, the level of competition he has faced thus far, his performance against top 10 defenses in the country, such as Penn State and Ohio State, will be a crucial test of him playing to his strengths.

    As of now, McCarthy is considered a strong prospect for the 2024 NFL Draft, but his draft grade could change based on his future performance. Currently, he's considered a late second or early third round pick, but there's potential for him to move up. Overall, McCarthy has shown significant potential and growth, but his consistency and performance against high-level defenses will be the determining factors for his NFL future.

    Tyler Van Dyke

    Tyler, now here is a player that has garnered attention for his potential. Standing at 6'4" and weighing 230 pounds, Van Dyke showcases good size. He possesses a strong arm and demonstrates commendable accuracy, albeit with a certain level of inconsistency. Despite his rawness, his ability to push the ball against pressure and his willingness to execute in high-pressure situations are qualities that stand out.

    Pros of Van Dyke's game include his arm strength, and his ability to throw players open downfield. He is also known for his improved footwork and balance, which help him execute moves successfully. Additionally, he has shown growth in finding checkdowns, which could be attributed to his exposure to a "real offense".

    On the other hand, some cons include his inconsistency and a tendency to make poor decisions in key moments. He also has a longer motion and longer arms, which may affect his performance. There are also concerns about his discipline, with instances of him staring down where he intends to go, which could be a disadvantage.

    Van Dyke's draft potential is promising, however, he will need to continue to develop his skills and consistency to fully realize this potential. While he does showcase certain weaknesses, his growth and potential make him one to watch.


    Shedeur Sanders

    Sanders is a promising quarterback prospect with an impressive college career at Jackson State, where he threw for nearly 7,000 yards and 70 touchdowns in two years, he has shown some splashes this year but would do well with another year back at Colorado. He possesses a decent not great physical attributes, arm strength, and throwing mechanics. His footwork can sometimes be a bit scattered, and he tends to be too bouncy, leading to timing issues. Sanders' pocket awareness needs improvement and he struggles under pressure, as evidenced in his recent game against UCLA - where they have a big defensive front and bring a lot of pressure. His ability to throw players open, particularly in sideline throws, shows his potential.

    However, Sanders' performance is inconsistent, particularly when he's uncomfortable or under pressure. He's had 19 fumbles in his career, indicating a need for improvement in ball security. Despite these issues, Sanders' arm strength, high football IQ, and leadership qualities make him a strong prospect, but one who could benefit from further time and experience. His teammates admire his attention to detail and his poise, which is a central part of his game.

    His late-game situations show his potential as a playmaker, but there are times when he misses open receivers, perhaps due to eye placement or prioritizing bigger plays. Despite these areas for improvement, Sanders' touchdown-interception ratio is one of the best in the country, demonstrating his potential. Overall, Sanders is seen as a late third-round prospect for the 2024 NFL Draft. However, he should return for another year in college to further develop his skills and consistency before stepping up to the NFL.
     
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    Michael Penix
    Penix is a promising quarterback prospect who has displayed impressive skills especially this year with Washington. Known for his strong arm and ability to make plays under pressure, Penix has caught the attention of many scouts and analysts, however, there are areas of his game that need further development, including his stride and footwork; this will help in his accuracy downfield rather than his receivers bailing him out.

    He has shown an innate ability to read the field and make smart decisions under pressure. Additionally, his toughness and resilience have been on full display, bouncing back from multiple injuries.

    Despite his raw talent, Penix's mechanics need work. His stride and footwork, in particular, lack the consistency and precision necessary at the professional level. While he has shown the ability to move around in the pocket, his footwork can be erratic, leading to off-balance throws and decreased accuracy.

    His stride, specifically, has been a point of concern. He has a tendency to overstride, which can reduce his power and accuracy. This flaw is particularly noticeable when he's under pressure, resulting in throws that sail or fall short of the intended receiver.

    Moreover, his injury history raises concerns about his durability in the long term and being a slightly older senior.

    Penix has the potential to succeed in the NFL. However, his poor foundational mechanics, specifically his stride and footwork, along with durability concerns, could limit his draft stock.

    He will need to work on these areas to maximize his potential at the next level. Despite these concerns, his natural abilities and demonstrated leadership make him a compelling prospect.

    Jayden Daniels
    Kid stands at standing at 6'4" and weighing 210 lbs, is currently a senior quarterback at LSU. He came over from Arizona State, where he had been relatively underrated, to LSU where he has made a significant impact. Daniels has also been successful in gaining weight and strength, moving from 185 lbs in his junior year at Arizona State to his current 210 lbs.

    Daniels is a true dual-threat quarterback, leading the nation in touchdown passes, plays of 10+ yards, and plays of 20+ yards. His ability to make plays, both on the ground and through the air, sets him apart. Daniels also shows impressive resilience, bouncing back after taking hard hits . His ability to process the game, stay composed, and work the whole field shows his prowess as a pocket passer. He is also known to perform under pressure, often creating plays when needed.

    Even though Daniels has shown improvement in his physicality, he is still considered light for his position. Scouts would prefer him to be around 215-220 lbs. Another concern is his tendency to take unnecessary hits. While his resilience is commendable, his habit of seeking challenging hits could potentially lead to injuries. Although he has shown improvement, Daniels has been criticized for his recklessness playing style.

    Daniels has proven himself to be a talented quarterback with significant potential. He is a strong contender for the first senior quarterback drafted, and his performance at LSU has undoubtedly caught the attention of several NFL teams. He has shown continual improvement and has the potential to be a high draft pick in the NFL. However, he will need to continue working on his physique and decision-making abilities to maximize his draft potential. Daniels would be a great back-up quarterback in the league, able to make plays happen with his legs.
     
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