1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2024 Astros Minor League Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by tellitlikeitis, Nov 6, 2023.

  1. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    16,017
    Likes Received:
    11,148
    Wow, this isn't good
     
  2. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    5,867
    Likes Received:
    9,086
  3. Rockets34Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    21,827
    Likes Received:
    17,904
  4. tellitlikeitis

    tellitlikeitis Canceled
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    20,166
    Likes Received:
    11,817
    First releases have popped up on the transactions page...

    C Nerio Rodriguez flashed some potential but never stayed healthy enough to capitalize on it. Rodriguez only played 5 games for Asheville last season and did not play at all this year.

    OF Richi Gonzalez signed for $310,000 in the 2019 IFA period. He had a cannon of an arm, which resulted in his inclusion in the 2019 Prospect Handbook at #27 before making his pro debut. Despite making steady improvements on offense, he was limited to 21 games in the FCL last year and didn't play at all this season.
     
    raining threes and Snake Diggit like this.
  5. Astrofan59

    Astrofan59 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Messages:
    539
    Likes Received:
    535
    This is concerning
     
    raining threes likes this.
  6. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    94,615
    Likes Received:
    94,632
    No, it's really not.
     
    Bregatron and tellitlikeitis like this.
  7. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    12,898
    Likes Received:
    18,882
    This could be one coach who got fired whining to Schwab about how “everything is a mess”. Let’s wait and see which coaches are gone and where they end up.
     
  8. phasors28

    phasors28 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    703
    Likes Received:
    1,436
    Trying to think of players who were not promoted and could have a gripe. Seems at least at the major league level the Astros were generous (out of injury and need) with AAA promotions to the Big Leagues. The Astros even traded Bloss, Wagner, Loperfido giving them an opportunity. Maybe at the lower levels?
     
    raining threes likes this.
  9. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,385
    Likes Received:
    16,599
    Or when the minor league coaches and those in charge of player development say a certain player is ready... and they're not... there's a communication gap that needs to get sorted out.

    Nobody here is an "expert" on the lines of communication between the minor league coaches, advisors, and the Astros front office... tons of middle-men involved in these things. Brown maybe not even spear-heading any of these decisions and it could all be the actions of the player development head (who took over for Goodrum?)
     
    phasors28 and raining threes like this.
  10. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    12,898
    Likes Received:
    18,882
    High A C John Garcia is literally the only position player prospect I can see who might have a gripe about not being promoted this season. There are more guys who would have a gripe about being rushed (Dezenzo, Matthews, Melton). On the pitching side there aren’t any pitchers who appear to be held back. It took Aaron Brown awhile to get moved up to AAA and I’m sure Forrest Whitley has whined to someone that he should have been in the majors all season.
     
  11. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,854
    Likes Received:
    10,352
    I agree with Whitley, but I don’t see this report as anything to be concerned about. Given the penalties we were saddled with, I think our minor league system is in pretty good shape and talking heads like these guys are just looking for clicks and know nothing about why decisions are being made. I trust Brown and his team to make the right decisions concerning the minor leagues.
     
    tellitlikeitis and Snake Diggit like this.
  12. tellitlikeitis

    tellitlikeitis Canceled
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    20,166
    Likes Received:
    11,817
    Michael Schwab should not be treated as a real source of information
     
    Nook, Htown Legend, NIKEstrad and 3 others like this.
  13. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    16,017
    Likes Received:
    11,148
    True, but these weren't issues when Luhnow was here. Everybody was on the same page and we saw the results. Now it appears that Brown's wanting to change the metrics that built a dynasty instead of building on what Luhnow built.

    Changing a proven formula is risky at best and foolish at worst. Have you noticed that most of Luhnow's people are gone.

    Crane needs to hire Sig or Petula as Chief of Baseball Operations and get back to the proven formula IMHO. Will Crane do this? Not a chance.
     
  14. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    7,514
    Likes Received:
    9,026
    I think it's foolish to not change.

    This is a copycat league (sorry for the cliché) and the way to stay on top is continue to adjust and exploit things nobody else is doing.

    Brown has still been here less that 2 full years. He was unable to make any changes prior to 2023. He made some major changes before 2024 and all these coaches worked under them for the first time.

    There is bound to be friction and differences of opinion with those who worked under Click and even more for those who were here under Luhnow.

    Baseball people are people set in their ways.

    I trust Brown for identifying talent and he has a Long list of contacts and years of experience to draw from.

    The jury is still out on how well he runs the organization or develops the talent.

    It's been said that Sig has no desire to have the responsibility/commitment of being a #1.

    Petula's record speaks for itself. I have no idea how he would do as the #1 but would be very excited to have him back in the organization.

    Regardless, I think Brown deserves and should have at least 1-2 more seasons before having someone placed above him. He hasn't even completely transitioned the organization into his own, or had any of "his" guys develop and become regular players for the Astros yet.

    MLB is a marathon more than a sprint which applies to more than just the 162g season.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  15. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,385
    Likes Received:
    16,599
    Who took over for Goodrum?

    That's who should be in charge of this stuff. Brown has experience in this role (as he did it in Atlanta), so it wouldn't be out of his element if he did have to micro-manage this... but I want my GM focusing on the big league team, and I want the director of minor league operations/player-development focusing on this stuff.

    As far as what happened in the past, part of what led to the axes to grind (and eventual banishments) is how they were eliminating scouts, eliminating coaching positions, and calling for minor league teams to be dissolved/contracted.... revisionist history on your end.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  16. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    94,615
    Likes Received:
    94,632
    Luhnow gutted the human scouting department, fyi
     
  17. juicystream

    juicystream Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    30,120
    Likes Received:
    6,416
    Yeah, definitely not the first time there has been some criticism about how we run our minor league operation that has turned out a number of contributors over the years.
     
  18. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    7,514
    Likes Received:
    9,026
    When Brown came in, here stated more people, not less, we're needed in the minor league operations/scouting.

    Just a random thought, but I wonder how many of those people are upset because duties have been taken away as the department is expanded?
     
    raining threes likes this.
  19. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    16,017
    Likes Received:
    11,148
    I'm fine with eliminating every position that's not absolutely necessary. That's called running a business properly. The Stros need to find a way to get back to their proven methods of success.
     
  20. BMoney

    BMoney Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2004
    Messages:
    18,614
    Likes Received:
    11,932
    Yes. There was a lot of consternation in baseball circles about the changes Luhnow brought to the Astros.
     
    Buck Turgidson likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now