2023 NFL Draft Thread

Qan · Nov 25, 2022

bobrek said: ↑

Odd that in the last scenario he has the Texans taking a running back at #6.
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Yah I don't see that. Waste of a pick.

bobrek · Nov 25, 2022

Qan said: ↑

Yah I don't see that. Waste of a pick.
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While quality depth is always good, the Texans have way too many needs to draft a running back that early.

Rudyc281 · Nov 25, 2022

Caserio is going to have options galore

zeeshan2 · Nov 25, 2022

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https://theathletic.com/3923728/2022/11/25/nfl-draft-2023-scenarios-texans-qbs/

Scenario 1: Houston trades out of No. 1

No other team has as much to work with in this draft as Houston. In fact, there’s really not even a close second. The Texas’ own first-rounder is currently slotted No. 1. They also have Cleveland’s first, which sits No. 7, and five of the team’s 12(!) draft picks are presently slotted to be within the top 70.

For context: Only one other team (Seattle) has four picks in the top 60. Houston has plenty of needs, of course, but it has the ability to address (checks notes) basically all of them in this draft, if it wants. For GM Nick Caserio, that could be done by staying put and drafting the board or by maxing out value to make the biggest possible swing.

While Houston needs a quarterback. I’m not sure we can call the Texans QB-desperate just yet. They might be closer than they were a few weeks ago, now that Davis Mills has been benched, but the 24-year-old (or another bridge) might be able to hold down the fort for a young squad. As always, it will come down to how Houston feels about this year’s QB draft class.

If a team in this draft wants its pick of quarterback (most likely, Alabama’s Bryce Young or Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud … but we’ll see), it’s conceivable Houston could put No. 1 on the table. A rough guess at how something like that could look, with a few different trade partners:

1. Houston trades No. 1 to Carolina for Nos. 2 and 35, and a 2024 third.
Panthers picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
52. Rashee Rice, WR, SMU
84. Tommy Eichenberg, LB, Ohio State

Texans picks:
2. C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State
7. Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson
33. O’Cyrus Torrence, OL, Florida
35. Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina
65. A.T. Perry, WR, Wake Forest
69. Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah

The Panthers are in an interesting spot right now. GM Scott Fitterer has Steve Wilks in place as interim coach, but everything about where this franchise is headed — especially on offense — is still TBD. No matter what scheme Carolina runs, though, it will need a consistent quarterback worth investing in, and that’s just not something the Panthers have.

Carolina is in a good spot right now, draft capital-wise, after picking up San Francisco’s second-, third- and fourth-round picks (plus a 2024 fifth rounder) for Christian McCaffrey. If the Panthers wind up No. 2, as we currently project they will, they’d likely only entertain this trade if they deem just one of the QB prospects to be draftable this high. Otherwise, the Panthers are still in position to hold and come out with not only a future quarterback but also some help for him.

The odds of something like this happening feel long, but who knows?

2. Houston trades No. 1 to Las Vegas for Nos. 4, No. 41 and No. 109, and a 2024 second.
Raiders picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
72. Jaelyn Duncan, OL, Maryland

Texans picks:
4. Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia
7. Jordan Addison, WR, USC
33. Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia
41. Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M
65. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee
69. DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas

I hated this for Vegas before I even finished it. I’m not totally convinced the Raiders need to go all-in on a quarterback for 2023 with what should be a pretty valuable first-round pick. However, Josh McDaniels didn’t draft Derek Carr, and Carr is hardly an untouchable talent.

The Raiders have a lot of draft capital to work with right now: 10 total picks, including three currently slotted in the top 75. It would make a lot more sense for Vegas to stand where it’s at, use this draft to rebuild the offensive and defensive fronts and worry about QB later. But I’m not Mark Davis.

Also, a word on Houston’s biggest needs beyond quarterback. The Texans still have a lot of work to do at tight end and wide receiver, need more help on the defensive line and probably could use another corner (2022 first-round pick Derek Stingley Jr., looks legit). Trading down would allow Houston to add more to the bucket for next year, which would put them in the Drake Maye-Caleb Williams sweepstakes, and still give Caserio enough capital to move back up later in 2022 for pretty much whatever he wants.

Like, perhaps …

3. Houston trades No. 1 to Indianapolis for Nos. 14, 46 and 81, and a 2024 first; Houston then trades Nos. 33 and 46 to Philadelphia for No. 10.

Colts picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

Texans picks:
7. Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson
10. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
14. Will Levis, QB, Kentucky
65. Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College
69. Calijah Kancey, DT, Pitt
81. Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee

We’re not necessarily here to talk about what the Colts might do in the draft. Jim Irsay has a lot of other stuff going on right now. Still, the Colts obviously need a quarterback, and while this scenario doesn’t feel likely right this second, that QB-need was enough for me to give it a whirl. For Houston, you could put this concept — trading down, then trading back up — to any of these scenarios, and you’d get similar results.

Here, Houston is able to solve its TE problem with what could be a generational talent in Notre Dame’s Michael Mayer (who could flirt with the top 10). It also secures a quarterback for the future and room to pick up two receivers before the end of Round 3.

4. Houston trades No. 1 to Detroit for Nos. 6, 44 and 62, and a 2024 second.

Lions picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
14. Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson
77. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State

Texans picks:
6. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas
7. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
33. BJ Ojulari, Edge, LSU
44. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee
62. Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan
65. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
69. Parker Washington, WR, Penn State

This seems like the most likely of any option here, although all trail Houston staying put at No. 1. The only other team that with enough capital for a move like this is Seattle. Thanks to Geno Smith, the Seahawks don’t feel as desperate for a QB as the Lions do (or probably should).

Detroit general manager Brad Holmes didn’t take a quarterback in 2021 or 2022. The No. 6 pick that we’re using in this hypothetical is actually the Rams’ spot, which Detroit acquired in the Matthew Stafford trade. The Lions also have their own 2023 first (slotted in the teens right now), so this is probably the time to make a move if you’re going to do it.

Detroit’s defense is maturing, behind young pieces like Aidan Hutchinson, Malcolm Rodriguez, Kerby Joseph and Jeff Okudah. The offensive line is one of the best groups in the NFL. We haven’t even see Jameson Williams yet, and he’ll be a factor.

The Lions have a team ready for a playmaking quarterback. Jared Goff really isn’t that guy.

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Lol we are not trading with the colts to help them get Bryce

red5rocket · Nov 25, 2022

The only scenario I can see is trade 1

Rudyc281 · Nov 25, 2022

whag00 · Nov 25, 2022

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Can he play tackle in a 4-3?

Rudyc281 · Nov 25, 2022

whag00 said: ↑

Can he play tackle in a 4-3?
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Yes. He does at Baylor

Omihall23 · Nov 25, 2022

Drake Maye with a second terrible outing in a row, but we should wait to draft him next year according to some around here.

Rudyc281 · Nov 25, 2022

rfrocket · Nov 25, 2022

J.R. said: ↑

https://theathletic.com/3923728/2022/11/25/nfl-draft-2023-scenarios-texans-qbs/

Scenario 1: Houston trades out of No. 1

No other team has as much to work with in this draft as Houston. In fact, there’s really not even a close second. The Texas’ own first-rounder is currently slotted No. 1. They also have Cleveland’s first, which sits No. 7, and five of the team’s 12(!) draft picks are presently slotted to be within the top 70.

For context: Only one other team (Seattle) has four picks in the top 60. Houston has plenty of needs, of course, but it has the ability to address (checks notes) basically all of them in this draft, if it wants. For GM Nick Caserio, that could be done by staying put and drafting the board or by maxing out value to make the biggest possible swing.

While Houston needs a quarterback. I’m not sure we can call the Texans QB-desperate just yet. They might be closer than they were a few weeks ago, now that Davis Mills has been benched, but the 24-year-old (or another bridge) might be able to hold down the fort for a young squad. As always, it will come down to how Houston feels about this year’s QB draft class.

If a team in this draft wants its pick of quarterback (most likely, Alabama’s Bryce Young or Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud … but we’ll see), it’s conceivable Houston could put No. 1 on the table. A rough guess at how something like that could look, with a few different trade partners:

1. Houston trades No. 1 to Carolina for Nos. 2 and 35, and a 2024 third.
Panthers picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
52. Rashee Rice, WR, SMU
84. Tommy Eichenberg, LB, Ohio State

Texans picks:
2. C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State
7. Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson
33. O’Cyrus Torrence, OL, Florida
35. Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina
65. A.T. Perry, WR, Wake Forest
69. Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah

The Panthers are in an interesting spot right now. GM Scott Fitterer has Steve Wilks in place as interim coach, but everything about where this franchise is headed — especially on offense — is still TBD. No matter what scheme Carolina runs, though, it will need a consistent quarterback worth investing in, and that’s just not something the Panthers have.

Carolina is in a good spot right now, draft capital-wise, after picking up San Francisco’s second-, third- and fourth-round picks (plus a 2024 fifth rounder) for Christian McCaffrey. If the Panthers wind up No. 2, as we currently project they will, they’d likely only entertain this trade if they deem just one of the QB prospects to be draftable this high. Otherwise, the Panthers are still in position to hold and come out with not only a future quarterback but also some help for him.

The odds of something like this happening feel long, but who knows?

2. Houston trades No. 1 to Las Vegas for Nos. 4, No. 41 and No. 109, and a 2024 second.
Raiders picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
72. Jaelyn Duncan, OL, Maryland

Texans picks:
4. Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia
7. Jordan Addison, WR, USC
33. Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia
41. Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M
65. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee
69. DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas

I hated this for Vegas before I even finished it. I’m not totally convinced the Raiders need to go all-in on a quarterback for 2023 with what should be a pretty valuable first-round pick. However, Josh McDaniels didn’t draft Derek Carr, and Carr is hardly an untouchable talent.

The Raiders have a lot of draft capital to work with right now: 10 total picks, including three currently slotted in the top 75. It would make a lot more sense for Vegas to stand where it’s at, use this draft to rebuild the offensive and defensive fronts and worry about QB later. But I’m not Mark Davis.

Also, a word on Houston’s biggest needs beyond quarterback. The Texans still have a lot of work to do at tight end and wide receiver, need more help on the defensive line and probably could use another corner (2022 first-round pick Derek Stingley Jr., looks legit). Trading down would allow Houston to add more to the bucket for next year, which would put them in the Drake Maye-Caleb Williams sweepstakes, and still give Caserio enough capital to move back up later in 2022 for pretty much whatever he wants.

Like, perhaps …

3. Houston trades No. 1 to Indianapolis for Nos. 14, 46 and 81, and a 2024 first; Houston then trades Nos. 33 and 46 to Philadelphia for No. 10.

Colts picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

Texans picks:
7. Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson
10. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
14. Will Levis, QB, Kentucky
65. Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College
69. Calijah Kancey, DT, Pitt
81. Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee

We’re not necessarily here to talk about what the Colts might do in the draft. Jim Irsay has a lot of other stuff going on right now. Still, the Colts obviously need a quarterback, and while this scenario doesn’t feel likely right this second, that QB-need was enough for me to give it a whirl. For Houston, you could put this concept — trading down, then trading back up — to any of these scenarios, and you’d get similar results.

Here, Houston is able to solve its TE problem with what could be a generational talent in Notre Dame’s Michael Mayer (who could flirt with the top 10). It also secures a quarterback for the future and room to pick up two receivers before the end of Round 3.

4. Houston trades No. 1 to Detroit for Nos. 6, 44 and 62, and a 2024 second.

Lions picks:
1. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
14. Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson
77. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State

Texans picks:
6. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas
7. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
33. BJ Ojulari, Edge, LSU
44. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee
62. Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan
65. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
69. Parker Washington, WR, Penn State

This seems like the most likely of any option here, although all trail Houston staying put at No. 1. The only other team that with enough capital for a move like this is Seattle. Thanks to Geno Smith, the Seahawks don’t feel as desperate for a QB as the Lions do (or probably should).

Detroit general manager Brad Holmes didn’t take a quarterback in 2021 or 2022. The No. 6 pick that we’re using in this hypothetical is actually the Rams’ spot, which Detroit acquired in the Matthew Stafford trade. The Lions also have their own 2023 first (slotted in the teens right now), so this is probably the time to make a move if you’re going to do it.

Detroit’s defense is maturing, behind young pieces like Aidan Hutchinson, Malcolm Rodriguez, Kerby Joseph and Jeff Okudah. The offensive line is one of the best groups in the NFL. We haven’t even see Jameson Williams yet, and he’ll be a factor.

The Lions have a team ready for a playmaking quarterback. Jared Goff really isn’t that guy.

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This dude a titans/colts fan?
The main thing wrong with all these trades is that we don't get good (or even decent) value imo for the #1 overall pick on any of them.
Trade #1 we go down to #2 but only get a 2nd and a 3rd next year which really just equals a 2nd and 4th.
Another we go down from 1 to 14 and only get 1 extra 1st rounder?

That's horrible value imo!

That trade where we trade down to 2 and take Stroud is giving me nightmares though!
Only thing worse would be picking Stroud at 1.

javal_lon · Nov 25, 2022

Rudyc281 said: ↑

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He wouldn't make it out the backfield on 50% of his carries with this team.. And I like him alot!

hlmbasketball · Nov 25, 2022

zeeshan2 said: ↑

Lol we are not trading with the colts to help them get Bryce
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What I find even MORE funny, is that every trade scenario was to get Bryce and some on the site don't want him!

javal_lon · Nov 25, 2022

2st time watching Maye so I'll wait till middle of next season to criticize on Maye performances.. But he don't look top tier to me..

raining threes · Nov 25, 2022

hlmbasketball said: ↑

What I find even MORE funny, is that every trade scenario was to get Bryce and some on the site don't want him!
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There are many former NFL guys like former GM Randy Mueller who wouldn't pick Young.

houston19519 · Nov 25, 2022

hlmbasketball said: ↑

And of all the teams you mentioned above, NYG, NYJ, TENN, WAS, NE and SEA. None are going to the Super Bowl until they get a QB.
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Bingo…..

houston19519 · Nov 25, 2022

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Lol, ok Nostradamus. Three of them have young 1st Rd QBs and TEN was in the AFC Championship game in 2020.

Like any fan I would love to have a stud QB on our team, but my point is that we don't have to reach for a QB this year if we don't see the guy we want. We have plenty of other holes that can be filled with talent given the picks we're gonna have.
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With potentially 6 picks in the top 100 in this upcoming draft along with 2 FRPs in the 2024 class.. along with cap space in this up coming offseason.. how is it reaching for a position “qb” when it’s and obvious need? Isn’t it possible to use one pick on a qb and still fill out your roster? I believe Nick can find talent in rounds 2-7 so why is it such a big deal picking a qb with the first overall pick.

Shark44 · Nov 25, 2022

houston19519 said: ↑

With potentially 6 picks in the top 100 in this upcoming draft along with 2 FRPs in the 2024 class.. along with cap space in this up coming offseason.. how is it reaching for a position “qb” when it’s and obvious need? Isn’t it possible to use one pick on a qb and still fill out your roster? I believe Nick can find talent in rounds 2-7 so why is it such a big deal picking a qb with the first overall pick.
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As the team evaluates prospects, if a QB is #1 on their board then they should make the pick. What I would hate to see is after their eval there are 3-4 guys ahead of a QB, and they feel pressured into going QB #1.

We took Clowney when we needed a QB and thank God we didn't take Bortles.

The 1st overall pick should be a foundational player for your franchise, not just a position you need to fill. That's why its a big deal.

houston19519 · Nov 25, 2022

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As the team evaluates prospects, if a QB is #1 on their board then they should make the pick. What I would hate to see is after their eval there are 3-4 guys ahead of a QB, and they feel pressured into going QB #1.

We took Clowney when we needed a QB and thank God we didn't take Bortles.

The 1st overall pick should be a foundational player for your franchise, not just a position you need to fill. That's why its a big deal.
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So you wouldn’t consider the qb as a foundational player? Some would argue that is the most important position on the field.. Also you can find foundation pieces in the entire draft so why is it still a big deal to use “1” pick on a qb then fill out the roster with talent? Also not including free agency to find talent…

hlmbasketball · Nov 25, 2022

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Lol, ok Nostradamus. Three of them have young 1st Rd QBs and TEN was in the AFC Championship game in 2020.

Like any fan I would love to have a stud QB on our team, but my point is that we don't have to reach for a QB this year if we don't see the guy we want. We have plenty of other holes that can be filled with talent given the picks we're gonna have.
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I don't call a player who play in the SEC, who won a Championship and who has proven that he's a clutch player time and time again reaching.

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