2023 NFL Draft Thread

red5rocket · Apr 13, 2023

Sooty said: ↑

Panthers wouldn't be expected to take Richardson at #1, but could consider him a possible option If they traded down to #2
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I really don’t understand. So they want Anthony Richardson but because they have the number 1 pick, they have to take Bryce?

zeeshan2 · Apr 13, 2023

Sooty · Apr 13, 2023

red5rocket said: ↑

I really don’t understand. So they want Anthony Richardson but because they have the number 1 pick, they have to take Bryce?
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I think they still don't see a wide gap between the QBs.

Bryce @ #1 or QB choice #2 + other assets.

Rockets34Legend · Apr 13, 2023

Rockets34Legend · Apr 13, 2023

coachbadlee · Apr 13, 2023

Hawkeye84 said: ↑

Some mock drafts now have Hooker ahead of Richardson
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They shouldn't.

red5rocket · Apr 13, 2023

Looks like we’re going Will Anderson

Rudyc281 · Apr 13, 2023

red5rocket said: ↑

Looks like we’re going Will Anderson
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BPA

SWARM

zeeshan2 · Apr 13, 2023

Houston Texans
Top picks: Nos. 2, 12, 33
Are you buying or selling the possibility of the Texans not taking a quarterback at No. 2?
I'm selling the possibility of the Texans not taking a quarterback. What's the alternative? Run it back with Davis Mills, who was tied for the most interceptions in 2022 (15)? Or go with 35-year-old Case Keenum, who has started two games since 2019? The Texans brass is smart enough to understand they must hit on a young quarterback to continue the rebuild effectively. -- DJ Bien-Aime

What we're hearing about the Texans' draft: DJ and I are going to disagree here, because there is a belief around the league that Houston has eyes for Bryce Young (Alabama) but isn't sold on the other potential Round 1 quarterbacks. Ownership could get involved and change this, if Cal McNair wants a young quarterback to lead this offense. If that's the case, C.J. Stroud (Ohio State) would certainly be a fit from a value and need standpoint. But I know the Texans love edge rusher Will Anderson Jr. (Alabama), the team's top-ranked prospect overall, and he could land with the Texans. Stay tuned. -- Miller

Carolina Panthers:

What we're hearing about the Panthers' draft: To David's point, every source polled this week believes Young has pulled back in front of Stroud. A source in Carolina said Tuesday evening the interest internally has centered around Young and Stroud, and both passers have serious support inside the building. And to reiterate, Anthony Richardson (Florida) and Will Levis (Kentucky) aren't considered serious considerations. -- Miller

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/dr...-rumors-news-answering-questions-all-32-teams

zeeshan2 · Apr 13, 2023

2. This probably ties in to our first question: When all is said and done, in what order will the top four QBs (Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Will Levis, Anthony Richardson) be selected? (Bonus points if you add which teams will take them.)
Dochterman: The Panthers struck gold the last time they drafted the No. 1 overall pick from the state of Alabama (Cam Newton out of Auburn in 2011), so I think they snag Young with Stroud immediately following to Houston. I’ll project Tennessee to jump ahead of rival Indianapolis and trade up for Richardson to learn behind Ryan Tannehill. Finally, I’ll pick the Colts to go with Levis at No. 4. Young, Stroud and Levis are first-day starters, while the Titans’ staff designs some scary packages for Richardson alongside Derrick Henry.

So, yeah, I’m thinking four quarterbacks in four picks. Meanwhile, Seattle and Detroit will unveil an app that night to start taking playoff ticket applications.

Baumgardner: I’m sticking with Stroud as the best combination of game ready/high ceiling among the QBs in this draft. So, Stroud to Carolina and Frank Reich, then Houston gets its new regime off on the right foot with Young at No. 2.

I’m not sold that Arizona will be overwhelmed with elite offers for No. 3, as I still don’t know how many teams are willing to give up what it’ll take to go get Richardson — outside of, say, Seattle (which might not want to) or Detroit (which doesn’t really need to). If Arizona takes Anderson and the Colts or a team trading up goes Richardson, then we could be waiting a minute, potentially, to hear Levis’ name.

It only takes one team to fall in love with him. Unless more than a few other teams are also in love with him, though, you might be able to get him in the teens. I think we’ll see three in the top 10. I’m not sold on four.

Burke: The 2021 draft marked just the third time quarterbacks went 1-2-3 overall (Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance). There have been four quarterbacks selected within the top 10 twice since 1948. Are we to believe that this particular QB class — one we’ve harped on for months as being somewhat uncertain — is suddenly going to be historic? I mean … maybe, but that outcome would require a team trading up to No. 3 and the Colts being satisfied taking QB4.

I’ll follow Nick by sending Stroud to Carolina and Young to Houston. And I’ll even go so far as three-for-three with Las Vegas jumping Indianapolis for Richardson. But I hate that for the Colts and have Levis sliding as a result, until a team like Washington or Tampa Bay takes advantage by moving into the 12-13 range.

4. We’re two weeks out from the start of this year’s event. Give us a couple of players we’re not talking about enough as potential Round 1 picks and one or two who’ve been overhyped to this point.
Baumgardner: Folks have slept on a few of these tackles, which is not shocking or even remotely new. It’s a weird tackle class, but it’s not a bad one — similar to what we’ve often said here about the quarterbacks. There are some really nice OTs at the top, if not any generational guys. Several prospects should earn first-round grades, including Tennessee’s Darnell Wright and Oklahoma’s Anton Harrison. I also would add TCU guard/center Steve Avila to that mix, as it wouldn’t shock me to see a team fall crazy in love with him.

Boston College WR Zay Flowers is another guy who a team could wind up over-the-moon on, and the same thing goes for Tennessee’s Jalin Hyatt. This is not an elite wide receiver class and opinions are rather varied at the top. It wouldn’t surprise me to see the receivers wait a minute to hear their names called or for the order they’re called to surprise a few people.

I’m not there on Hendon Hooker as a first-rounder in this class. I’ve long thought he’s no worse than a Round 3 prospect, most likely Round 2. He’s almost certainly going to be the fifth QB off the board.

Dochterman: Michigan defensive tackle Mazi Smith has freakish physical skills for a player who weighs 323 pounds. While he had just half a sack last year, he added 25 pressures. Converting more of those chances is all about technique and finishing, something a good D-line coach can bring out of him. Smith can control the line of scrimmage when he’s two-gapping and has the quickness to penetrate with relative ease. He should be a target for Seattle or Detroit, should neither team select Jalen Carter.

Iowa linebacker Jack Campbell has a second-round grade and might have some slight athletic limitations, but he will anchor a defense for 10 years. When you grade intangibles such as toughness, leadership and accountability, nobody’s better. In the long run, passing on a player like that at, say, No. 27 because he’s 31st on your board will cost you playoff seasons in adverse situations. Don’t believe me? How did Iowa win eight games last season with the Big Ten’s worst statistical offense this century?
Richardson and Levis are this year’s versions of draft catnip. No matter how many times teams watch prospects like Richardson or Jake Locker or Carson Wentz, they close their eyes and imagine Patrick Mahomes or Steve Young or Ben Roethlisberger. When they evaluate Zach Wilson, Blaine Gabbert or Levis, they squint hard enough to envision Andrew Luck or Matthew Stafford or Josh Allen. Since 1990, there have seemed to be more first-round quarterbacks who’ve fail than have become high-level starters, and the odds are strong that at least two of the top four quarterbacks this won’t pan out. The only question is: Which two?

Burke: Rather than double up on Avila, I’ll mention Minnesota center John Michael Schmitz. We’ve seen teams place an increasing focus on advanced, plug-and-play centers — Tyler Linderbaum, Garrett Bradbury, Frank Ragnow, etc. — and Schmitz is the type of presence who could give a bump to a playoff team.

Jahmyr Gibbs (and maybe Devon Achane) is another prospect whose Round 1 chatter has been way too quiet. Given how offenses are spreading the field and getting their pass-catching backs into space, Gibbs’ game should be an outstanding fit for the NFL.

Flip side, I’m not banking on the tight end run happening quite as early as others. Would I consider Michael Mayer, Darnell Washington, Luke Musgrave or Dalton Kincaid with a pick in the mid- to late-first round? Absolutely. I’ve been telling our Lions beat writers for weeks that Detroit should think about Mayer at 18. That’s still not a premium position in the NFL, though, so I’d be very surprised if three or four tight ends fly off the board over the receiver, edge and DB talent that should be there in the teens and 20s.
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https://theathletic.com/4405488/2023/04/13/nfl-draft-quarterbacks-trades-aaron-rodgers/

whag00 · Apr 13, 2023

red5rocket said: ↑

Looks like we’re going Will Anderson
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I've come to accept it. I'd prefer a trade down...but oh well.

I'm good with giving Mills a shot in a qb friendly system. Just have to get him some more weapons.

zeeshan2 · Apr 13, 2023

Tier 1
Bryce Young, Alabama
Most frequent scout/exec comp: Drew Brees
Scout/exec draft range: No. 1 (ceiling), No. 2 (floor)
Widely considered the most pro-ready quarterback prospect in the class among NFL scouts and executives we interviewed, Young led Alabama to 24 wins in 27 starts and threw 80 touchdowns on his way to becoming a two-time Heisman Trophy finalist (and winning the honor in 2021). He mastered a pro-style Alabama system.

Described as a "mental savant" by one NFC exec, Young aced the S2 cognition test, which Carolina uses to evaluate quarterbacks. "Most pro-ready. Sees the whole field better than anyone," an AFC personnel evaluator said.
"He's the best, but he looks like [5-10, 182-pound Seahawks receiver] Tyler Lockett back there," an NFL coordinator said. "There's a lot of risk with whether he can keep himself healthy."

Among successful sub-6-foot quarterbacks, Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray were faster than Young. Drew Brees, exactly 6 feet tall, is perhaps the best pocket operator of all time. It's tough to expect any young quarterback to meet that standard. But one NFC exec believes Young can overcome his deficiencies because, like Brees, he can't see clearly from the pocket and still delivers.
"His anticipation and feel in the pocket is very unique," the exec said. "Great feel for the pocket and how to escape. He'll be very comfortable doing that." Added an NFC scout: "He has great footwork. He will need players around him, though. He needs guys to get open for him."

C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
Most frequent scout/exec comps: Dak Prescott, a more mobile Jared Goff

Scout/exec draft range: No. 1 (ceiling), No. 4 (floor)

The prolific Stroud owns the Ohio State record with 9,434 career passing yards, won a Rose Bowl and was impressive in the 2021 College Football Playoff with 348 yards and four touchdowns against a vaunted Georgia defense.

"Might be the cleanest prospect," an NFL exec said. "Prototypical size (6-3, 214), arm, accuracy. Maybe not a premium athlete but might be a little underrated in that regard. He's impressive." Added an NFL personnel director: "Interviews very well, prepared. Needs to see the whole field better. Likes staying in the pocket and making reads. ... Probably looks the most like a polished NFL quarterback out of the class."

Several evaluators agree that Stroud throws a beautiful football, with the ability to throw at different speeds to freeze the defense. He's commonly referred to as "smooth" as a thrower. Teams remain concerned about Ohio State's offense and how it translates to the next level, likening it to 7-on-7 football heavily schemed for open receivers and clear-picture throws.

"He had a few clunkers," said an AFC personnel man, citing a 10-for-26 performance against Northwestern and two interceptions in a loss to Michigan.

"I thought the performance was uneven." A high achiever with ambition, Stroud wants to go No. 1 to Carolina and has made learning NFL team playbooks a priority entering pre-draft meetings. "He's different than those past Ohio State quarterbacks," a veteran NFL coach said. "He's further along."
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/st...ryce-young-cj-stroud-levis-anthony-richardson

houston19519 · Apr 13, 2023

red5rocket said: ↑

Looks like we’re going Will Anderson
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Source? Or gut feeling?

King713 · Apr 13, 2023

It would be GM malpractice to take Will Anderson over a QB with the #2 pick and not because of them not taking a QB. But because they could trade back and get a haul. Will Anderson is not that good that you pass up more draft picks including future 1sts.

Sooty · Apr 13, 2023

More details on the S2 test, it's a great read!

https://www.s2cognition.com/how-s2-works

cmoak1982 · Apr 13, 2023

Sooty said: ↑

More details on the S2 test, it's a great read!

https://www.s2cognition.com/how-s2-works
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I wish results were more readily available

El_Conquistador · Apr 13, 2023

Now even Pancakes McClain is saying we are taking Will Anderson. I'm here for it.

Kemahkeith · Apr 13, 2023

No Worries said: ↑

I rolled a 20 side die and it said we are drafting Anderson at 1.2.

I rolled it again and it said it is 50/50 if we trade down to 1.3 or 1.4

FWIW I am expert at rolling a 20 side die.
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Better be if you are trying to kill a demi gorgon

houston19519 · Apr 13, 2023

Screw it.. Will Anderson it is

So are we putting off qb in this draft completely? Does that mean Mills is still in the picture to be our starter?

Might as well start it now..

#TankForCaleb2024

Kemahkeith · Apr 13, 2023

Rockets34Legend said: ↑

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Nice to see him put his thoughts to paper. I don't think it moves the needle much for me and the specific current draft slot we are in. Trade down, gain capital and pick him when the Texans Value equals the pick.

Here is my master plan for draft
Trade 1.2 to the colts for whom they covet
Then trade with Seattle, then trade with Detroit, Vegas, then Falcons. Stop when you feel your one that you want is about to go off the board.

Texans would get like 5 extra 2nd round picks this year.

I know its stupid but just think about that.

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