2023 NFL Draft Thread

raining threes · Feb 27, 2023

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When have the Texans done that other than their first draft? To be fair, Carr may have been that guy if he didn’t get killed every play of every game he played for the Texans.
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I would argue Clownery was picked because he and McNair both went to South Carolina.

I called that pick before the draft.

raining threes · Feb 27, 2023

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I'm hoping they come out of this draft with foundational players.

Carter
Bijan
Musgrave
I've got Schmitz rated over Tippman.

Make the trades necessary to get these guys and I will be happy with the draft

jch1911 · Feb 27, 2023

raining threes said: ↑

I would argue Clownery was picked because he and McNair both went to South Carolina.

I called that pick before the draft.
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Abso-fing-lutely.... I was stomping around for Khalil Mack.
I knew he would end up as a better player. Just read his story.
But I knew in my heart that Clowney probably had a promise from Daddy McNair (RIP)

zeeshan2 · Feb 27, 2023

raining threes said: ↑

I would argue Clownery was picked because he and McNair both went to South Carolina.

I called that pick before the draft.
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that's why ayton was picked for the suns; sarver and ayton went to the same college

Rudyc281 · Feb 27, 2023

Kemahkeith · Feb 27, 2023

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https://theathletic.com/4251494/2023/02/27/hendon-hooker-nfl-scouting-combine/

Hendon Hooker had surgery on his knee in December to repair a torn ACL, and while the injury may keep the Tennessee quarterback out of the first round of the NFL Draft, it’s not going to diminish his enthusiasm for the process. Hooker has agreed to share his experiences with The Athletic, and this is his first entry — as told to senior writer Vic Tafur — as he prepared to arrive in Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine this week.

[…]

I went and saw my surgeon a couple of days ago and he was telling me how he had never seen someone’s quad strength and quad girth heal so fast, just two months out of surgery. I am up to 74 percent strength already.

I am throwing off one knee and I get cleared to stand up and throw next week. I can’t wait to zip it. I started throwing in a chair and we were on the knee for two to three weeks. I was in San Clemente (Calif.) for my rehab, working with Jordan Palmer and Steve Calhoun. My sister, Nile, came with me. She is my manager. We are extremely close and whenever my family had athletic events out of state, that was our vacation destination for the rest of the family.

The hardest part of the rehab was trying to get in the shower in the early stages. It was tough. I am an extremely neat guy and I take my hygiene seriously. Not being able to put both feet on the ground in the shower and having a plastic bag around my leg. And just being on the move all the time was also new for me. I was tired of sitting it in the house.

I recently got back from Alabama and I had a great time at the Senior Bowl. I got to sit in the quarterback room and give our team an extra set of eyes on the sideline. I was doing some ear hustling, listening and calling out plays. I also talked to a lot of teams and really enjoyed myself.

The question I was asked the most was why I transferred from Virginia Tech. I just gave them the straight answer — they were going with Braxton Burmeister and they said they understood if I pursued outside opportunities. Naturally, I was blown away and wanted to end my career there, but I decided to keep it moving, went to Tennessee and the rest is history. I didn’t burn any bridges or hold any grudges. I still check in on those coaches and their families all the time.

The other popular question I get is what kind of player will teams be getting if they draft me — an extremely cerebral person and a leader. I am extremely personable with everyone, making sure that I create relationships throughout the whole building and with my teammates on and off the field. I am an extremely hard worker and I will treat the game with respect, because I love it. After my faith and my family, I don’t put anything before the game.

And they’re getting a dynamic, athletic guy in the pocket who can make accurate throws and throw the ball deep.

Teams want to see me do a lot of board work since we ran a spread at Tennessee and there may be some questions about my readiness to run a pro offense. I’m ready. I have an Expo marker and have these two sliding-door mirrors at the AirBnB that I have been staying at doing my combine prep and pro day prep. I draw plays on the mirror every time I pass by it.

I draw all day. I feel like I am Picasso.

I have been dreaming about playing in the NFL from the jump … I was told my first word as a baby was “ball.” I used to watch a lot of my dad’s tape (Alan Hooker broke 18 program passing records as North Carolina A&T’s quarterback in the mid-1980s).

And I had a VCR tape of the great quarterbacks of that time, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Kordell Stewart … and I used to watch that every day. My favorite was Randall Cunningham. He made spectacular plays, made people miss, threw the ball deep and he even punted. He and my dad had a similar body type, and I really loved watching them play.

This is the start of a new chapter for me, and I want to build a legacy. I would like to start my career and end my career with the same team. I want to rally a team of men to great things and I am looking to be more than just the face of a franchise. I want to be the face of a dynasty.
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This dude had me thinking he would be a great later round pick, until he said Kordell Stewart and great quarterbacks in the same sentence.
Next prospect please.

J.R. · Feb 27, 2023

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/27/nfl-combine-top-draft-story-lines-bryce-young

Maybe the best way to illustrate the dynamic and the complexion of this year’s group is to simply look at Young, the 2021 Heisman winner from Alabama, and boil his NFL evaluation down to a simple fact that no one seems to argue with.

Were Young 6'3" and 220 pounds, there’d be zero question who would go No. 1.

“If he was as big as Justin Fields, there’d be no discussion,” says one NFC exec. “Chicago would take him and move on from Justin.”

“You don’t even have to quote anybody on that,” says an AFC exec. “That’s exactly what it is. The size is just a major deal.”

“If Bryce Young was 6'3", 220,” Jeremiah says, “I would be talking about him like I talked about Burrow and Lawrence.”

“I love Bryce Young, I really do,” McShay says. “I know he’s 195 pounds; a really good friend of mine who’s a scout had him at 5'10½". But I met with him, I’ve talked to him. He’s special. He’s different. He has the poise, the presence in the pocket, the playmaking, everything else you want. I absolutely love Bryce Young. I would bet on him.”

In his next breath, McShay concedes, “If I’m a GM, I’m scared to death of drafting him.”

Bottom line, in a class full of exceptions, you have to make a big one to take Young that high. McShay sees “a smaller version of Patrick Mahomes” in Young. Others agreed the right comparison, because of Young’s size, instincts, accuracy, and football smarts, might be Drew Brees. Patriots OC Bill O’Brien (Bama’s OC the last two years) told any scout who’d listen over the last year that he sees Young as a unique player, person and prospect—and Alabama even scaled back on RPO concepts because Young was so advanced.

The problem is none of that is going to create a precedent for a player of Young’s size, stature and athletic profile making it long term as an NFL star at his position. Betting on Young, as McShay said he would, is betting that he is a total outlier. And his frame is as big an issue as his height, with the fact that he got hurt last year on a simple tackle only raising the concern of how he’ll hold up physically in the pros.

So what he weighs in at in Indy—and it sounds like he’s closing in on 200 pounds—will be scrutinized, for sure, with the likelihood being that he won’t work out at the combine. And that he’ll probably give us our biggest early headlines of the draft cycle.
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Odds are the two who’ll go after Young will be, in some order, Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud and Kentucky’s Will Levis. Both have their strengths. Both have their flaws.

With Stroud, physically, what you want is there. He’s smart. He sees the field well. He’s incredibly accurate and throws with phenomenal touch. The bigger question will be whether what we saw in the playoff semifinal against Georgia (Stroud’s showcasing mobility in and out of the pocket, creativity, playmaking ability and toughness) was a sign of the quarterback turning the corner, or just a flash of stardom that’ll be difficult to replicate.

As for Levis, there’s a lot to like physically and leadership-wise, but the production on the field doesn’t match that of Young or Stroud—nor does what he’s put on tape, which only adds to questions of why he couldn’t beat out Sean Clifford at Penn State and why his game was so adversely affected by Kentucky losing Liam Coen as its OC.

“Will Levis is the toughest dude. He’s Braveheart. He’ll fight through anything,” McShay says. “He had a terrible line and a running back that was suspended for four games. He’s got the strongest arm of the first three quarterbacks—Anthony’s is the strongest of them all. But Will’s extremely talented. … He has to get somewhere where there’s really good coaching.

“There isn’t a lunch lady that would say a negative thing about him; he’s worshiped at Kentucky. Leadership, toughness, character, everything you look for in a quarterback. But there’s a wide range of opinions. … On the road, I talked to one GM who said he was really worried Will would be Carson Wentz, because he plays like a linebacker and might not physically hold up. Five days later, the next GM said he may be Josh Allen.”
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Of course, every raw, physical specimen now gets compared to Allen. It’s happening with Levis, just like, yup, it’s happening with Richardson.

The difference is that, with each of these quarterbacks, as we said, you’re projecting. But with Richardson, you’re really projecting.

“If you look at all these guys as having risks, I think of them as they’re all kind of lottery tickets, and if you pay the same price for all these lottery tickets, if his hits, you have the biggest payout,” says Jeremiah. “You gotta be able to redshirt him, I think, and you gotta have really good developers in place. But I’ve talked to a couple teams that aren’t the QB[-needy] teams, so they’re more straight-up honest with you, and they’re like, We want him as the second guy because we know the risk-reward could be so huge.”

“He’s absolutely the most interesting player in the draft,” says McShay. “I promise you it’s driving me crazy, watching Utah tape, then a disaster against Kentucky, he’s 6'4", 234 pounds, rifle for an arm, mobile as can be, all the potential in the world and a really good guy that you want to root for, that everyone in the building loves. … A good guy, the most physically talented, but he’s not ready. He’s just not there yet.”

Which is to say, the tape is mostly tantalizing, but also pretty scary—as is the case with Young, but for different reasons. With Young, again, it’s his size. With Richardson, it’s the obviousness of how far he has to go.

“Everybody watches the Utah game—this guy’s top five!” says one AFC exec. “Well, yeah, they ran three plays. Let’s not get it twisted. He’s running boot and he’s taking off if it’s not there. It’s just not real football.”

With that taken into account, those in Gainesville love Richardson as a person (“a great guy,” McShay says), and it’s easier to bet on someone like that. And the hope would be, like the Bills’ was with Allen, that you could eventually throw Richardson into the fire and allow for his athletic/playmaking ability to buy him time to develop other parts of his game—which is feasible because there is so much of it.
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Taking the quarterbacks out of it, there’s a consensus that Georgia DT Jalen Carter, Alabama edge Will Anderson Jr. and Texas Tech edge Tyree Wilson are in the first tier. Jeremiah put Northwestern OT Peter Skoronski, Illinois CB Devon Witherspoon and Texas RB Bijan Robinson in his top group with them. McShay had those six, plus Clemson edge Myles Murphy. I talked to one team that didn’t have Robinson or Witherspoon in the group, but did have Clemson DT Bryan Bresee and Iowa edge Lukas Van Ness.

What they all agreed on was that the elite class is low on numbers this year and that once you get out of the top 10, it may seem like players are being drafted too high. And that theme continues through the first round—one team I talked to had just 15 first-round grades in the class at this stage.

“Looking at it,” McShay says, “I have 14 guys I legitimately feel like are first-rounders.”

“To me, the difference between pick 12 and pick 40 is not much,” Jeremiah adds. “Get to that point, and it's just preference.”
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J.R. · Feb 27, 2023

Speaking of strong position groups, this could be a historic tight end class.

McShay says he has five tight ends in his top 50, which is unheard of, and Jeremiah’s view of the group may be even stronger than McShay’s.

“I’ve never seen a tight end group this deep,” says Jeremiah. “Even just from a personal standpoint, my order’s changed just from the last few weeks. The more I’ve watched, I’ve moved guys around a bit, individually. Talking to teams around the league, they’ll have them in all different orders. The one thing that I’m curious about is because there’s just so many of them, I wonder if it pushes them all down.”

The thinking there being, of course, that you might find quality well into Day 2, rather than having to spend a first-round pick, but that doesn’t diminish the first-round level of play that does exist in this pool of players. And for Jeremiah, at least, the list starts with Utah star Dalton Kincaid, whose one knock is that he turns 24 in October. (He won’t work out in Indy due to a foot injury.) The USC tape alone was enough to trump that for DJ.

“I was watching the tape of all the targets, of all of his targets, and I literally thought I must’ve dozed off because I was like, There’s no way this game is still going,” he says. “How many freaking catches does this guy have in this game? Like, can you just stop him?”

Meanwhile, McShay has stuck to his guns on Notre Dame’s Michael Mayer, who was the consensus top tight end coming into the season and, for one reason or another, has slipped in the minds of some folks.

“I don’t know why,” McShay says. “Maybe it’s because he’s not the fastest guy. To me, he looks a lot like Gronk [Rob Gronkowski]—his run after catch, how physical he is; he’s a grown man.”

Then, there’s Oregon State’s hyperathletic Luke Musgrave, who starred at the Senior Bowl after missing much of the 2022 season with injury, and Georgia’s supersized Darnell Washington and … yeah, there’s a lot of potential here.
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Edge rusher is probably still the draft’s best position.

Anderson, Wilson, Murphy and Van Ness are the headliners, but there are more where that came from. Jeremiah’s got a fresh top 50 coming out Monday, and he reports there’ll be a staggering 10 edge rushers on it.

“There’ll be good ones there in the second round,” says Jeremiah. “I mean, we’ll see if Felix Anudike-Uzomah from Kansas State, if he gets to the second round, but he’s a really good player. He’s been a good player for two years. Him and [Iowa State’s] Will McDonald, two guys from the Big 12, actually, I really like that should be there.”

Add in a really solid crew of defensive tackles, headed by Carter and buoyed by players like Alabama’s Byron Young later on, and this is a good year to be looking for D-linemen.

“Defensive line is the strongest group,” says an AFC exec. “There are just an absolute ton of guys to work through there.”
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Two places you might not find a ton of help: safety and center.

At the former, Alabama’s Brian Branch is really solid, and probably a mid- to late first-rounder, but he is like Michigan’s Daxton Hill was last year: more of a slot corner in college with the versatility to play back at safety. And after Branch, one team said, it wouldn’t be a shock to see the next safety not go until the fourth round.

At the latter spot, Wisconsin’s Joe Tippmann and TCU G/C Steve Avila are among those whose names were raised, but there isn’t much of a sure thing there. And while we’re on the linemen …

Skoronski may be the safest pick in the draft.

Because Skoronski may be a shade under 6'4" and lacks great length, there is question as to whether he’ll play left tackle in the pros—his old teammate Rashawn Slater faced similar questions two years ago before being taken by the Chargers. But few doubt his ability to assimilate quickly into a really good pro, be it at guard or tackle. And so if you take him in the top 10, you may not be over the moon about it, but you’ll probably come away satisfied.

“High, high floor,” says DJ. “Worse-case scenario, you’re going to get a really good guard.”

And because of that, he’s a little different than Ohio State’s Paris Johnson Jr., Tennessee’s Broderick Jones, Maryland’s Jaelyn Duncan or Oklahoma’s Anton Harrison, whom McShay raised as guys whose tape isn’t quite what Skoronski’s was but have considerable upside.
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One of the biggest stories, for McShay and Jeremiah, is who isn’t in the draft.

That starts, first, with two guys who aren’t yet eligible: USC QB Caleb Williams and North Carolina QB Drake Maye.

“The two guys next year would be the top two guys in this year’s class,” says one NFC exec, who already took the time to start studying them to contrast them with the 2023 QBs.

“I would say it’s not even debatable,” Jeremiah adds. “I mean, I’ve seen enough of both those kids. … Both those guys are very special players.”

“Caleb, he’d be the first pick in this draft,” McShay says, “and a trade up would be warranted if Chicago didn’t want him.”

Which, ultimately, could well cause a team or two in the top 10 to wait to take a quarterback next year, with a lot of hold-the-fort type veterans available in free agency next year. So that could affect the 2023 draft, for sure.
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Hawkeye84 · Feb 27, 2023

raining threes said: ↑

I would argue Clownery was picked because he and McNair both went to South Carolina.

I called that pick before the draft.
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To be fair, should it happen, Young was being mentioned as the best QB in this class long before DeMeco was named head coach.

zeeshan2 · Feb 27, 2023

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2023 NFL Draft prospect rankings 2.0

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2023-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

There's the new one

J.R. · Feb 27, 2023

1. Jalen Carter · Georgia · DT · Junior
Carter is a highly disruptive player with the versatility to line up at any position along the defensive front. Against the pass, he has an explosive first step and understands how to work through the edges of blockers. He jars opponents with his initial strike before clearing his hips and closing in on the quarterback. He has the change-of-direction ability of a player 40-to-50 pounds lighter. He can use pure power to run through single blocks and possesses the quickness to split double teams. Against the run, he is firm and strong at the point of attack and has the range to make plays on the perimeter. The only negative is that he ends up on the ground a little too much. Overall, Carter is a real difference maker and must be accounted for on every snap.

2. Will Anderson Jr. · Alabama · Edge · Junior
Anderson is a long, athletic edge rusher with excellent power and production. Against the pass, he is at his best when he's wide on the edge and has a runway. He can win with his suddenness/speed or transfer that speed into power and run through offensive tackles. He also has a good feel for an up-and-under move when the OT oversets to the outside. He does need to work on escaping when he doesn't win early in the down, as he gets stuck at times. Against the run, he uses his length to stack blocks and make his way to the ball. He has the speed to chase and make plays from the back side. Overall, Anderson isn't a super loose/bendy edge rusher, but his combination of speed, power and instincts should translate into double-digit sacks at the next level.

3. Bryce Young · Alabama · QB · Junior
Young was an ultra-productive passer for Alabama. The 2021 Heisman Trophy winner has quick feet in his setup and effectively marries his eyes and feet. He remains on balance and delivers the ball accurately to all three levels. He is quick to work through progressions and throws with excellent anticipation. When he has room to step up in the pocket, he can forcefully drive the ball. When his foot space is limited, though, his ball lacks life at times. He can avoid free rushers and extend plays, always keeping his eyes up to capitalize down the field with his arm. He will take the free yards with his legs when necessary, but he's never in run-first mode. His lack of height isn't a major issue, but his narrow frame raises concerns about his durability at the next level. If Young can maintain his health, he should quickly emerge as a quality starting quarterback in the NFL.

4. Bijan Robinson · Texas · RB · Junior
5. Devon Witherspoon · Illinois · CB · Senior
6. Tyree Wilson · Texas Tech · Edge · Senior (RS)
7. Peter Skoronski · Northwestern · OT · Junior
8. C.J. Stroud · Ohio State · QB · Sophomore (RS)
Stroud is a pure, natural thrower with outstanding production. He has the desired size, arm strength and decision making for the position. He isn't a dynamic athlete in his setup, but he always throws off a firm/strong platform. He has a smooth delivery and throws a beautiful, tight ball. He can layer the ball over linebackers and under safeties. He puts a nice loft on deep balls, making life easy on his pass catchers. His biggest issues arise when he has to move/reset and deliver the ball, as this causes his accuracy to suffer. (The impressive College Football Playoff performance against Georgia is the notable exception in this department.) He is a build-up-speed runner when lanes open up for him to take off. Overall, Stroud is definitely more of a shooter than a scorer. He will have success, provided the pieces are in place in front of him and on the perimeter.

9. Will Levis · Kentucky · QB · Senior (RS)
Levis is an inconsistent player on tape, but he possesses ideal size, arm strength and athleticism. He is a power thrower, capable of fitting the ball into tight windows at the second and third levels. However, he needs to get more consistent underneath. He has bad misses, especially when throwing to the left. He tends to close off his front side, which severely impacts his ball placement. I admire his toughness to stand firm in the pocket, but his lack of awareness leads to him taking some monster hits, spawning ball-security issues. He moved around much better in 2021, showing quickness and power as a runner. This past fall, due to his own injuries and a lesser supporting cast, he wasn't as effective. Overall, Levis is gifted, but has some bad habits he needs to clean up in order to be a reliable NFL starter.

10. Dalton Kincaid · Utah · TE · Senior
11. Jordan Addison · USC · WR · Junior
12. Joey Porter Jr. · Penn State · CB · Junior (RS)
13. Christian Gonzalez · Oregon · CB · Junior
14. Anthony Richardson · Florida · QB · Sophomore (RS)
Richardson packs elite arm strength and athleticism into a big/physical frame for the position, but he is incredibly raw on tape. He has urgency and explosiveness in his setup, and the ball jumps out of his hand from his three-quarters arm slot. His arm strength is special; he doesn't even need to engage his lower body to make power throws deep down the field. On the flip side, his decision making and accuracy are a roller-coaster ride. He yanks his arm at times, leading to some ugly misfires. He forces too many balls into crowded areas, too. He is electric as a runner, using his burst, agility and power to rack up runs of 60-to-80 yards. In summary, Richardson needs polish, but his upside exceeds everyone in the draft class. He's a low-floor/high-ceiling prospect.

15. Keion White · Georgia Tech · Edge · Senior (RS)
16. Paris Johnson Jr. · Ohio State · OT · Junior
17. Broderick Jones · Georgia · OT · Sophomore (RS)
18. Lukas Van Ness · Iowa · Edge · Sophomore (RS)
19. Myles Murphy · Clemson · Edge · Junior
20. Nolan Smith · Georgia · Edge · Senior
21. Brian Branch · Alabama · CB · Junior
22. Michael Mayer · Notre Dame · TE · Junior
23. Darnell Wright · Tennessee · OT · Senior
24. Darnell Washington · Georgia · TE · Junior
25. Jaxon Smith-Njigba · Ohio State · WR · Junior
26. Jalin Hyatt · Tennessee · WR · Junior
27. Quentin Johnston · TCU · WR · Junior
28. Jahmyr Gibbs · Alabama · RB · Junior
29. Zay Flowers · Boston College · WR · Senior
30. Calijah Kancey · Pittsburgh · DT · Junior (RS)
31. John Michael Schmitz · Minnesota · IOL · Senior (RS)
32. O'Cyrus Torrence · Florida · IOL · Senior
33. Joe Tippmann · Wisconsin · IOL · Junior (RS)
34. Felix Anudike-Uzomah · Kansas State · Edge · Junior
35. Steve Avila · TCU · IOL · Senior (RS)
36. Will McDonald IV · Iowa State · Edge · Senior (RS)
37. Cody Mauch · North Dakota State · OT · Senior (RS)
38. Emmanuel Forbes · Mississippi State · CB · Junior
39. Derick Hall · Auburn · Edge · Senior
40. Ji'Ayir Brown · Penn State · S · Senior
41. Luke Musgrave · Oregon State · TE · Senior
42. Deonte Banks · Maryland · CB · Junior (RS)
43. Trenton Simpson · Clemson · LB · Junior
44. Drew Sanders · Arkansas · LB · Junior
45. Kelee Ringo · Georgia · CB · Sophomore (RS)
46. Bryan Bresee · Clemson · DT · Sophomore (RS)
47. BJ Ojulari · LSU · Edge · Junior
48. Mazi Smith · Michigan · DT · Junior (RS)
49. Zach Charbonnet · UCLA · RB · Senior
50. Hendon Hooker · Tennessee · QB · Senior (RS)
Hooker is an ultra productive QB with size, accuracy and athleticism. He operates in the Vols' unique spread attack, where they send their outside wideouts to the extreme edges of the field and force opponents to defend them in space. Hooker has outstanding field vision, makes quick decisions and delivers the ball in a position where his receivers can easily run after the catch. He doesn’t have a powerful arm, but he can make all the necessary throws. He throws a beautiful deep ball. He has the athleticism to extend plays and he’s very effective on designed QB runs. Unfortunately, he suffered an ACL injury late in the season that could jeopardize his rookie campaign. Also, his age (25) is a concern for some teams. Overall, I see Hooker as a quality starting QB and wouldn’t be shocked if he has the best career of any passer in this year's class.

OUT: Sam Laporta, TE (No. 46); Tuli Tuipulotu, Edge (No. 47), Tyrique Stevenson, CB (No. 48), Davis Allen, TE (No. 50)

Rockets34Legend · Feb 27, 2023

primtim24 · Feb 27, 2023

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I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but what's wrong with some of these questions? I know we don't want teams crossing the line, but at the same time, knowing if someone comes from a drug/alcohol affected home could be a big deal, no?

If you're drafting someone to be the face of your multi-billion dollar company, I'd want to know what kind of potential baggage they may have too. How do you even decide what's considered a question that "crosses the line"?

raining threes · Feb 27, 2023

Hawkeye84 said: ↑

To be fair, should it happen, Young was being mentioned as the best QB in this class long before DeMeco was named head coach.
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I'm thinking Cal will make the call on who is picked at 1-2. Hope I'm wrong, it is what his dad did though.

raining threes · Feb 27, 2023

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If he does that 1-12 should be in play for Washington.

Mr.Scarface · Feb 27, 2023

jch1911 said: ↑

Abso-fing-lutely.... I was stomping around for Khalil Mack.
I knew he would end up as a better player. Just read his story.
But I knew in my heart that Clowney probably had a promise from Daddy McNair (RIP)
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Clowney was a generational athletic freak. However, his production in College never matched his physical ability. That sounds like a few QBs that are getting hyped up in this draft (Levis, Richardson).

El_Conquistador · Feb 27, 2023

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In most job interviews, I ask what country club a candidate (or his parents, depending on age) belongs to. I need to know if the person is of good character and moral fiber. And as you are aware, I do not hire any candidate whose behavior, even in the least degree, may be inconsistent with good manners.

Rockets34Legend · Feb 27, 2023

TheRealist137 · Feb 27, 2023

primtim24 said: ↑

I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but what's wrong with some of these questions? I know we don't want teams crossing the line, but at the same time, knowing if someone comes from a drug/alcohol affected home could be a big deal, no?

If you're drafting someone to be the face of your multi-billion dollar company, I'd want to know what kind of potential baggage they may have too. How do you even decide what's considered a question that "crosses the line"?
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You're kidding, right? What you do is baggage, what your parents do is not.

jch1911 · Feb 27, 2023

Mr.Scarface said: ↑

Clowney was a generational athletic freak. However, his production in College never matched his physical ability. That sounds like a few QBs that are getting hyped up in this draft (Levis, Richardson).
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I disagree about him being a once in a generation athletic freak... JJ Watt, Mario Williams stand out to me more
Clowney had some splash plays in college and could run really fast in a straight line at the combine... but you saw where his heart was out in college.
Also the pass rusher metrics say Clowney was not going to be the pass rusher he was hyped up to be. Good? Yes; Great? Not so much.
IMHO not deserving of the first overall pick

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