For a NBA defender they have to weigh whether Green's "okay" jump shot is more dangerous than his blow by ability.
I agree with you but to reiterate something I've said a few times, he's not here because he is a high level individual contributor - he alone isn't raising the floor or ceiling based on his own talent. This isn't a title winning PG anymore - that's why he didn't go to a title contender. What he is here for is to make the other guys buy into the team concept and hopefully that will raise both our floor and ceiling. The sum can be greater than the parts and we need vets who can evangelize that concept because when 5 guys play together defensively, it has a way of minimizing the weaknesses of the weakest link(who frankly could be FVV at times -ha!) - same story on offense.
If we can manage to raise the bball IQ of players around Jalen it's going to amplify the power of that blow by ability because it forces off ball help defenders to keep a constant eye on Jalen when he has the ball and that provides opportunities for smart cutters and players willing to slide into spaces that change defensive angles. Defenders on the NBA level are too fast physically that you can't allow them to simply "react" from a set state - you gotta force them to think about where they are in relation to their teammates and process the court - that's where you get mistakes or distractions that create openings....frankly THAT is one of big the reasons this 'offensive system' looked so bad the last several years.
People are going to have a rude awakening once the season starts. Sure he will help the kids along and do his vet leadership thing like we have seen, but according to every advanced analytics this is still a top 17-20 player in the league. Rest assured he will be taking total control of the offense once the real games begin, along with Sengun, and the rest of the guys will be playing off of what these two create. The idea that Fred is here on $40m just to babysit is delusion, he will ball out.
I'll say he's a better player if he becomes a better player. He'll still have been bad in his first 2 seasons no matter what the future holds.
One thing I hope Green does more of especially if he truly did add more strength is play more often in the triple threat position to try to manipulate defenders before starting a live dribble. Look at most of Green's on ball scoring it's barely out of the triple threat position. It's almost always starts with a live dribble making it easier for defenses to predict the possibilities.
I'll be happy to be wrong in that case - but I find the general consensus among Raptors fans was he has lost a bit since the title run. BTW, I think the reason why we paid him SO much(and structured that contract the way we did) is so we didn't have to sign yet another player who will take minutes away from our young guys just to meet the cap floor because the goal of the offseason financially was to meet the cap floor because our team was almost entirely on rookie scale contracts. We overpaid FVV to give us a leader but also prevent us from signing players who complicate an already tight minutes distribution.
I think the team is very invested in the two man game between Green and Sengun. It's something that non Rocket analysts like Lowe notice as one of the only consistently good plays the Rockets had last season. I think it's very obvious the team and staff are very invested in a two man game with Sengun and Green. Also the poster above already mentioned but their are other prices of context to why FVV and Brooks got paid so much. New CBA rules were more responsible for the size of their contracts than the roll FVV was given. The team will have FVV be a on court coach but that doesn't mean dominating the ball all the time.
Yeah I get that but based on what I have seen from how Udoka utilized his playmakers in Boston - he seems like he prefers those guys getting the ball in motion and at least anecdotally from what little practice footage we have seen - the system seems similar.
I think Sengun can get Jalen a lane. He attracts a crowd and sees angles. I mean mini-Jokic is apt. Look at how JamalMurray is thriving… Jalen can be that guy
He’s a big part of it, yes. He was a net negative, check the +/- and the team went on a couple of win streaks when he wasn’t playing…
The rockets won 22 games. of course the players are going to be negative you literally take next to nothing away from +/- on the worst team in the league. nobody cares about a couple fluke wins. at the end the day they were bottom feeders on both ends of the floor. And then hearing about how trash this team was from the inside for the last couple years they are exactly who they should be
https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4865/onoff#tab-team_efficiency Not according to Cleaning The Glass which is more comprehensive in their on off metrics than something like basketball reference like removing noise like garbage time minutes. The Rockets offense took a very substantial hit when Green was on the bench.
Fvv has lost a step as point of attack defender, but his team defense still makes him a positive on that end. He had a down year shooting last year, and was coming off offseason hip surgery at the beginning of the season. Despite all that, the numbers still have him top 20 even last season. We did overpay the bad team tax to get him here, but the Raptors were going to pay him $30m+ a year, people are acting like he’s a $15m guy that we gave $40m, overpay or not he was going to be paid like an allstar.
Where was this reasonable response earlier when you called him our franchise player? I agree with everything you said here. DD
If you read the quotes from Udoka in Lowe’s article, plus the post practice interviews from Udoka and Green, it is clear that the team will be running Jalen off ball more, getting him the ball in motion on cuts and kick outs where he can attack defenses in advantageous positions created by Fvv and Sengun. This is going to make Jalen’s efficiency go up, usage go down, and give him more energy on defense - the net effect is that he will take a leap in terms of contributing to wins which everyone has emphasized, even if his counting stats like ppg dips a little. What this also means is that the two man game between Green and Sengun will NOT be a focus, as he will be played off ball more. Fvv and Sengun two man game will be what generates our offense, with Jalen as an elite attacker off of what they create. However, Green’s passing has indeed improved last year, so the beauty of Fvv and his own ability to play off ball is that we can turn up the on ball reps for Green as he proves himself, instead of force feeding him like last year.
Fred and Dillon are two slow grinders that will eventually slow down the pace. We shall see how those different playing styles of slow and old vs young and exciting, non athletic vs athletic, length vs straight junkyard dog attitude play out. As much as the youngins learn from them, those are 2 different theories. And how the shooting of Bullock can mitigate the little shooting from the bench.
If you read what I wrote in that thread I made it abundantly clear that “franchise player” was just tongue in cheek since every other player on the team had a franchise player thread meanwhile Fvv is by far our best player, that was my point. Of course Fvv is not a franchise player that a team builds around, but he is a highly effective player, an allstar caliber player, and our current best player.
