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2022 NBA Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Rockets34Legend, Jun 20, 2022.

  1. Reeko

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    everyone and their momma thinks the Astros are cheaters, but it’s the Astros, so I just shrug it off

    makes for cheap jokes I guess
     
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  2. i3artow i3aller

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    Tari should be there this weekend as well
     
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    Im still happy my Nats beat you. That was a great night to be in downtown DC
     
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    Mad the bum-ass A's got owned by us every year, even when they won the division in the mickey mouse year we still knocked them out lmao
     
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    [Wojnarowski] Free agent F Juancho Hernangomez is finalizing a one-year deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell ESPN.

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    Pay everybody. Draymond Green. Andrew Wiggins. Jordan Poole. Klay Thompson. Reward all of them with hefty contract extensions, locking in the Warriors core for several extra seasons. No CBA rule prevents it.

    But that just isn’t viable for the franchise, sources indicate. Extending all those players would lock in astronomical luxury-tax penalties — sling-shotting their total bill (salary plus tax) well above the record $362 million they paid this past season. They’d be entering a stratosphere that Lacob, transparently, has said he’s unwilling to touch.

    Let’s do an exercise and get ambitious with it, ensuring everyone feels well-compensated for 2023-24. Give Wiggins an extension that starts around the $33 million he’s currently making. Give Poole an extension that starts around the $27 million range. Bump Green, who has a player option, into his decline-and-extend max of a $30.9 million starting salary. Thompson is already making $43.2 million that season.

    That zooms the total payroll for the 2023-24 season toward $222 million. The projected tax line is $161 million. The Warriors are willing to pay their players. But their enemy is the collective bargaining agreement and its luxury tax rules. The Warriors are living in the more punitive repeater tax. Crunch the numbers and you’re talking about a total bill (salary plus tax) of around $564 million.

    “Those numbers are not even remotely possible,” Lacob told our Tim Kawakami last month, even indicating that $400 million was too steep.

    But slice one of those theoretical contract extensions completely away, even the smallest — Poole’s $27 million, for the sake of this exercise — and the total 2023-24 bill (salary plus tax) nosedives more than $200 million back to around $338 million, a range Lacob appears more comfortable paying.

    Thus, a storm is brewing. They are all under contract for the 2022-23 season. But not paying everyone means the Warriors will have to decide who to prioritize and who to leave vulnerable. As soon as next offseason, one or two of the beloved championship core could be gone. Even before potential departures, the reactions to how the Warriors’ front office navigates this could reverberate into this season, potentially impacting their chances to defend the crown.



    Draymond Green
    Green, according to sources, wants and believes he deserves a maximum contract extension from the Warriors. Aug. 3 is when he is eligible to sign a four-year deal. That is his desired length.

    Green is set to make $25.8 million this coming season. He is due $27.5 million for 2023-24, but it’s a player option. He can decline it and become a free agent next summer. So the maximum extension Green could sign starting next week involves him opting out of the final year of his current deal and signing a four-year extension worth $138.4 million. His starting number for a max extension is only $3.4 million higher than his option year — not nothing but certainly not a ridiculous raise or uncontrollable tax spike.

    Including this coming season, a max extension would lock in Green for $164.2 million over the next five seasons. He’d turn 37 years old in the final season.

    All indications, though, are that the Warriors have no plans to offer Green a maximum extension, and there isn’t any current traction on any type of extension. The typical pattern of this Golden State front office is to extend with one year remaining. Even Stephen Curry waited until one year remained before signing his max extension last offseason. Green has two years remaining on the maximum extension he signed in 2019. While he could opt out a year earlier, the Warriors’ current preference is to talk extension with Green next summer.

    While his desire is to remain with the Warriors, Green is said to be willing to explore his outside options to get the kind of contract he wants. That’s a risk Warriors’ management appears willing to take. Green playing this season with a chip on his shoulder, motivated by proving to the league he deserves a max contact, could have a positive on-court impact.

    Perhaps a bigger concern is how the NBA Finals MVP would feel about Green not getting an extension. Multiple sources said Curry would not be happy if the Warriors lost Green because the team didn’t want to pay him. Curry is under contract for four more years and has a desire for Green and Thompson to be with him for the length of his stay. A three-year extension would align Green’s contract with Curry’s.

    Curry sees the Big Three as a package deal. While much of the talk of the season was about the Warriors’ plan to win-and-develop simultaneously, it isn’t lost on the veteran core how that plan disappeared in the postseason. It was all on them again, with the help of some critical vets.



    Andrew Wiggins

    Of the four eligible, this currently profiles as the extension most likely to get done. The way Wiggins played in the postseason, especially the NBA Finals, made keeping him a priority. There have been some preliminary discussions already, but nothing is imminent, per sources.

    Wiggins is entering the final season of his deal before unrestricted free agency. He will make $33.6 million. A 20-percent raise would put the starting salary of a max extension around $40.3 million.

    But negotiations wouldn’t begin there. For Wiggins and the Warriors to meet in the same ballpark, all indications are the opening number must start below his max. But how much lower? That’s the larger question that’ll define whether anything gets done.

    There aren’t a ton of teams with enough projected cap space to easily offer Wiggins a contract that begins near $35 million or above. But they exist. Would the Pistons feel ready to jumpstart the next phase of their rebuild before Cade Cunningham locks into a max? How about the Rockets or Pacers?

    A deal starting somewhere in the $27 million ballpark could be more doable for the Warriors and their out-of-control tax bill while providing Wiggins long-term security.



    Jordan Poole
    Oct. 18 is the big date for Poole. That’s the rookie extension deadline, near the beginning of the regular season. The Warriors are expected to engage with Poole’s representatives before then, but there doesn’t appear to be a level of urgency as August nears. Deadlines breed deals.

    It’s not too difficult to project Poole’s market. Anfernee Simons just re-upped in Portland for four years and $100 million. Jalen Brunson just left the Mavericks to accept a four-year, $104 million contract from the Knicks. Poole is viewed in that realm and, if his final few months of his third season are any indication, could have a higher upside than both.

    But the Warriors appear intent on maintaining flexibility as they continue to search for ways to suppress their future tax bills. They can wait an extra summer on Poole, reassess their roster and priorities, while ultimately being able to match any contract he finds.

    That risks an Ayton-type situation, which didn’t derail Phoenix’s regular season but certainly did seem to reveal itself as a sore spot when the Suns fizzled out in the playoffs. Poole — in a veteran locker room next to teammates who have nearly all played on discounts before — might find it tougher to voice displeasure. But what if he’s one of several players staring at an uncertain future after unsuccessful extension talks?
     
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  12. red5rocket

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    Throw Draymond in the KD trade
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  13. Downtown Sniper

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    No one truly believes the Warriors aren't going to keep Green for the exact same amount of time they have Steph Curry.
     
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    I’m honestly just perplexed why GS is even considering future luxury/repeater tax penalties?

    This guy on clutchfans who is never wrong ever was saying that they don’t even count when considering how much a roster costs.

    @RHU525
     
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    :Do_O:eek:



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  18. pmac

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    Assuming every player at the same level as last year and the playoffs into the next year - my guess would be that they keep Wiggins and Draymond in that ~$30MM/yr range and they let Poole walk in free agency. As much crap as Draymond got for his finals performances he still had decent +/- numbers because his team defense helps the rest of the rotation out. And, Poole's defense became such a big problem that Gary Payton II was eating into his minutes.

    I was already expecting Poole to be on the move in 2023 free agency.

    I would just keep them all together. If all 4 guys play well again next year then you can salary dump Wiseman/Divencenzo/Looney, and get whatever future pick you can get in return.
     
  19. BHannes2BHonest

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    I knew it!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
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  20. i3artow i3aller

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    Wish we scooped him up.
     
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