are you contending that its not possible to cheat in an election? which state do you feel has achieved this? if it is possible, then there is obviously no reason to call an election valid before it happens.
We’re talking about people running who have the power to certify elections. This would be like if someone became MLB commissioner and said that under them the NL team would never be allowed to win the World Series.
It’s possible to cheat but it’s very difficult. There are also legal safeguards such as recounts and judicial challenges. If we take the argument you’re raising why then have elections of one party isn’t going to trust them and they are saying already they wont certify if the other party wins. That is why democracy is in danger.
If you didn’t think a game was going to be fairly called why would you agree to play it? The Phillies are agreeing to play the Astros tomorrow night even though it’s at Minute Maid Park. Your argument is exactly the type of rhetoric that it’s undermining democracy.
believing elections aren't secure doesn't make you against democracy. quite the opposite as it means you want democracy. Do you think Russian elections are secure? if not are you against democracy or is that only when you question the authenticity of American elections? I reject your assertion that elections are proven secure because of recounts. Recounts don't prove a vote was valid. It just recounts an invalid vote
I don't know if the game would be called fairly. I will tell you after the game, not before. I would also demand more secure umpiring by having machines do it.....
Except it’s a belief based on conjecture and not based on hard proof. Or if it’s only fraud when your team loses and claiming there is no way your team can lose other than fraud. There are other safeguards too. There are legal safeguards regarding how votes were cast and chain of custody. This was litigated in both the 2000 and 2020 elections. There have been legal prosecutions of people casting fraudulent votes such as voting multiple time or voting for someone else. Note most of the cases the people prosecuted have been Republicans.
you can never definitely prove it . you can only show instances of people cheating and show how and why elections are insecure. Once an invalid vote is cast its quite often impossible to separate it from the valid ones. 2000 mules shows plenty of video of people clearly cheating so this position is nonsense. people have pled guilty to cheating. Again, am I allowed to question the authenticity of Russian elections? or is it just American elections I am not allowed to question?
Then why play or watch the game? I mean i don’t watch or get an emotional investment in pro wrestling because I know it’s fixed. I doubt anyone actually bets on pro wrestling for the same reason. Let me ask you this if a Democrat ran for governor of Wisconsin and said that if they won Republicans would never win I the state again would you be Ok with that?
True nothing in life is perfect but that there has been the level of that type of imperfection hasn’t been shown to be significant enough to change elections. The previous AG of the US said that about the 2020 election. That movie was already debunked if I recal there is a thread here about that already. Sure you can question and you can make legal challenges. Just lien a manager in a baseball game can call for a video review of a play. What matters though is if your going to claim ahead of time that your team cant lose and if you’re running for a position that gives you power you’ll make sure your team never loses.
So applied to this example that would mean not participating in US Democracy. In other words undermining it. More than that though candidates like Kari Lake and Michels are saying they will redo the rules so one team can’t lose because they believe their team was called unfairly in the last contest.
'either vote or you are undermining democracy' is a laughable statement. and yes, if i thought elections were rigged i wouldn't vote. they didn't say this, what they said is they would change the rules to make elections more secure
I contend it isn't possible to cheat a national election by stuffing ballot boxes. It might be possible to do so with parliamentary tricks that invalidate whole rafts of ballots all at once.
Conservatives are only concern about the election being secured when they lose. The way folks are being skeptical and btching about it when they lose is akin to folks being sore losers when they lose a game. Take your defeat gracefully.
This is true. There are hundreds of stories of republicans getting caught for voter fraud in the last election. We need to be careful.
Setting aside anything else, that tweeter's math skills are garbage. Going from 15,000 to 60,000 is a 300% increase, not 21%.
