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2022 Midterms

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. larsv8

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    His lunatic rambles have always been concerning, but the child rapes are over the line. He should stop.
     
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  2. Commodore

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    there's government video tape of people in multiple states stuffing unattended ballot boxes with hundreds of ballots, which is illegal

    it's an insane idea from a chain of custody standpoint
     
  3. Major

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    Ignoring the total lack of evidence, let's say one person did in fact place 100 ballots in a dropbox. How is that different from if that person mailed 100 ballots in?
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Been investigated, already. Turns out that they didn't cheat. Even Trump and his team knew it.

    Catch up, junior.
     
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  5. FranchiseBlade

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    No there isn't. And any ballots put in might have been for Trump. And even if putting them was legal, the ballots would still count unless there was something wrong with them.
     
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    Just incredibly gullible…
     
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  8. Commodore

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    why do Dems want ballot drop boxes away from election offices?
     
  9. larsv8

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    Because a terrorist organization is trying to overthrow the government.

    Need it to be as easy as possible for people to vote.
     
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    Republicans hating someone for telling the TRUTH is so on brand its not even funny.

    Trump definitely allowed his GOP base to be comfortable forgetting the ninth commandment completely.
     
  12. deb4rockets

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    A lot of their supporters are the same way. Hating on anyone telling the truth is their way of deflecting from the truth.
     
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    Because election offices are afraid of Antifa attacks sponsored by CIA?
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    In order to get more people better access to vote.
     
  15. Astrosfan183

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    despite what most modern day conservatives seem to believe, it's a good thing if it is easy to vote
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    alternative view:

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691154442/the-ethics-of-voting

    The Ethics of Voting
    by Jason Brennan

    Nothing is more integral to democracy than voting. Most people believe that every citizen has the civic duty or moral obligation to vote, that any sincere vote is morally acceptable, and that buying, selling, or trading votes is inherently wrong. In this provocative book, Jason Brennan challenges our fundamental assumptions about voting, revealing why it is not a duty for most citizens — in fact, he argues, many people owe it to the rest of us not to vote.

    Bad choices at the polls can result in unjust laws, needless wars, and calamitous economic policies. Brennan shows why voters have duties to make informed decisions in the voting booth, to base their decisions on sound evidence for what will create the best possible policies, and to promote the common good rather than their own self-interest. They must vote well — or not vote at all. Brennan explains why voting is not necessarily the best way for citizens to exercise their civic duty, and why some citizens need to stay away from the polls to protect the democratic process from their uninformed, irrational, or immoral votes.

    In a democracy, every citizen has the right to vote. This book reveals why sometimes it’s best if they don’t. In a new afterword, “How to Vote Well,” Brennan provides a practical guidebook for making well-informed, well-reasoned choices at the polls.​
     
  17. Astrosfan183

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    It's an interesting argument, but you could also wade into ethical problems when you start trying to classify who shouldn't vote. I don't know if that book touches on that, I don't really plan to read it

    But also, that argument also seems to be that for some, you have a moral imperative to not vote. That doesnt 1 to 1 translate into "we should make it harder to vote". I guess maybe applies if your argument is that if it's harder, only informed people will vote. But I wouldn't believe that without any evidence, and also things have devolved a bit to where there's now huge debates on what "informed" means
     
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    Better tell those ID requiring fascists in Norway, The Netherlands, Sweden, Northern Ireland, Luxembourg, Italy, France etc etc.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    your statement was "it's a good thing if it is easy to vote."

    The argument in rebuttal would be IF (a) ill-informed voting is harmful to the nation, AND if (b) ballot drop boxes make it easier to cast ill-informed votes, THEN (c) ballot drop boxes can be a bad thing BY (c') making it easier to vote.

    NOTE: that's not necessarily a "conservative" or a "liberal" argument. it cuts both ways. ill-informed votes on the right are just as bad as ill-informed votes originating on the left
     
  20. Astrosfan183

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    I didn't say anything about voter ID. I would support voter ID laws if they came with a caveat of policies that made acquiring voter ID easier. It's not near as easy as it should be in some poorer and rural areas. If the true intention here is making sure the person voting is who they say they are, you should have no problems with this compromise

    A good older article on that, on how much of a beauracratic nightmare it can be for some people to acquire an ID that makes them eligible to vote- https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

    A loose voter ID law is essentially a band-aid to those issues, fix them and I'm on board.

    Wild that this issue actually has some nuance right?
     

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