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2021 Trade Targets?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by htownbball, May 18, 2021.

  1. Bregatron

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    I'm not saying he won't, but it wasn't a report or anything. It was MLB host Greg Amsinger giving his opinion on top 10 trade possibilities. Has no more weight than what any of us say.
     
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  2. Buck Turgidson

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    No offense to Joe, but I'm gonna need some confirmation that actually happened.
     
  3. Verbal Christ

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    I like Marte a lot wish he was a year or two younger but we are in win now mode wonder what it will take to get him vs a guy like Buxton?
     
  4. Bregatron

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    It was just Greg Amsinger talking during a rain delay. Nothing being reported.
     
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  5. Redfish81

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    He's a free agent at the end of the year. Who cares if he was a year or 2 younger? I think he can play CF for 3 more months.....
     
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  6. Verbal Christ

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    just being greedy and looking beyond this year I guess. I might pay Buxton if we could get him over Marte depending on what prospects are given up in each scenario. But you’re right Marte would help a ring chase more than Straw at least.
     
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  7. Redfish81

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    If Correa leaves Marte could be a target to offset the offense we lose. He could play CF next year then move to a corner outfield spot when Brantley becomes a free agent. He is still running well and has 22 stolen bases this season.
     
  8. raining threes

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    If Click makes another trade, I hope it's for one of Scherzer/Turner or Hendricks/Bryant.

    What I really would like to see is a trade for Bryant/Contreras
     
  9. skenney1993

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    Seeing on Twitter from Cubs fans that Taylor Jones has been traded to them for Winkler and Maples
     
  10. CheezeyBoy22

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    I hope like hell Click swings for the fences.
     
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  11. Redfish81

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    Mariners made another move...

     
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  12. J.R.

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    Padres manager Jayce Tingler and Max Scherzer just missed overlapping at the University of Missouri. Scherzer was teammates at Missouri with Padres bullpen catcher Brad Flanders for one season. All three remain friends.

    None of that might matter in the hours ahead, as the Nationals try to negotiate a trade with a team for which Scherzer will waive his no-trade rights. But Scherzer’s preference, according to major-league sources, is one of the three NL West contenders — the Padres, the Dodgers and the Giants. And the Nationals, interested executives say, want to get a deal in place as quickly as possible. That way, they would create ample time before Friday’s trade deadline to entice Scherzer to waive the no-trade protection he enjoys as a player with 10 years of service, five consecutive with the same club.

    Other teams also are in the mix for Scherzer, who, because of deferrals in his contract, will not be paid the pro-rated portion of his $35 million salary until 2028. His luxury tax hit for the final third of the season still would be approximately $10 million, but in pure cash alone he would be affordable even to low-revenue contenders. One of those teams, the Rays, is one of three from the AL East talking to the Nationals, along with the higher-revenue Red Sox and Blue Jays, according to The Athletic’s Jayson Stark.

    By 2028, when the bill on Scherzer for this season finally comes due, the Rays might not even be in Tampa Bay, and all of the GMs currently pursuing Scherzer might be out of jobs. But before savoring the delicious possibility of Rays manager Kevin Cash trying to remove the fiery Scherzer from a World Series game the way he did with Blake Snell last October, keep in mind that Scherzer is a potential free agent who would benefit from pitching in the National League and the pitcher-friendly NL West parks.

    The Giants entered Tuesday with a two-game lead over the Dodgers and a 5 1/2-game lead over the Padres. Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi has identified rotation help as his No. 1 goal at the deadline, and a rotation including Scherzer, Kevin Gausman, Anthony DeSclafani, Alex Wood and Johnny Cueto would not just fortify his club for the pennant race, but also make it a formidable threat in the postseason.

    The Athletic’s Keith Law wrote before the season that the Giants’ farm system under Zaidi had made a “rapid comeback.” Though Scherzer only would be a rental, the Giants are competing at a level where they might be ready to part with the necessary prospects for a difference-maker.

    The Dodgers and Padres, however, might be even more motivated than the Giants to acquire Scherzer, considering their respective starting-pitching needs and current positions in the standings. The two NL West contenders that fail to win the division currently would meet in the wild card game; the Reds, the next-closest team entering Tuesday’s play, were six games behind.

    At the start of the season, the Dodgers’ rotation looked like it might be the deepest in the sport. But they lost Dustin May to season-ending Tommy John surgery in May, and currently are without Clayton Kershaw, who remains on the injured list with left elbow inflammation. Meanwhile, Trevor Bauer remains on paid administrative leave as the Pasadena Police Department and Major League Baseball investigate him for allegations that he assaulted a woman during two sexual encounters. (Bauer has denied any wrongdoing.)

    The Padres are dealing with their own depth concerns. Their No. 1 starter, Yu Darvish, has a 7.32 ERA in four July starts sandwiched around a trip to the injured list for left hip inflammation. Scherzer, with a 3.38 ERA in 112 postseason innings, is the more accomplished and experienced October pitcher. Darvish has a 5.18 ERA in 33 postseason innings, though that figure was inflated by two awful starts against the Astros in the 2017 World Series. MLB later determined that the Astros stole signs illegally during the 2017 postseason.

    Most managers, given the choice between Scherzer and Darvish to start one game in October, likely would pick Scherzer, who rebounded from a debilitating neck issue to deliver a memorable, gutty performance in Game 7 of the 2019 World Series. Scherzer, however, might not be a sure thing either, not when he was scratched from his start last Saturday because of right triceps discomfort.

    The Nationals say Scherzer’s MRI was clean. He threw a 40-pitch bullpen Monday and is on track to make his next scheduled start on Thursday. But it’s unlikely the Nationals would risk pitching him that day if a trade agreement was close or in place, as it likely would be with Friday’s 4 p.m. ET deadline looming. At that point, Scherzer would not have pitched in 12 days. An executive with one interested team said he “feels OK” with his medical situation. Another pronounced it “scary.”

    In the end, Nationals GM Mike Rizzo will be left to strike a delicate balance, trying to extract the best possible offer from a team Scherzer is willing to approve. The NL West race, though, gives Rizzo the perfect opportunity to drive up the bidding and dive into quality farm systems for talent. Entering the season, Law ranked the Padres’ system seventh, the Giants’ ninth and the Dodgers’ 10th. But no team is eager to move top prospects for rentals, and all three NL West contenders are exploring a variety of trade options.

    The Padres, for example, are considering the Rockies’ Jon Gray, a rental who could be acquired for a far lesser acquisition cost than Scherzer. In addition, the Padres are scouting the Twins, who have three starting pitchers available — Kenta Maeda (two additional years of control), José Berríos (one) and Michael Pineda (none). A deal for Maeda or Berríos might be particularly appealing, and the Padres also are exploring cost-cutting moves such as a trade of first baseman Eric Hosmer to help them avoid exceeding the luxury-tax threshold for the first time.

    Padres officials believe their top prospects are among the best in the sport; the question is how to deploy them. The Padres probably would not want to move a top young player such as infielder C.J. Abrams, outfielder Robert Hassell III or catcher Luis Campusano for two months of Scherzer, plus a potential postseason run. Abrams might not be in high demand at the moment, as he is out for the season with a broken left tibia and sprained MCL. Another of the Padres’ top prospects, pitcher Mackenzie Gore, has regressed.

    The Dodgers, too, have young catching to offer — probably not switch-hitter Keibert Ruiz, who is enjoying a monster year at Triple A, but perhaps Diego Cartaya, who is 19 and still in A ball. The team, coming off its first World Series title since 1988, already is over the third and highest luxury-tax threshold. But it would recoup money for the time Bauer missed if he were to be suspended, resulting in lower payroll and luxury-tax obligations.

    It’s all rather complex, and it’s all happening rather quickly. All that is at stake is the NL West title, the National League pennant and perhaps the 2021 World Series. Max Scherzer is available, and teams are willing to stretch their limits to get him. For future Hall of Famers, the normal rules of engagement do not apply.
     
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  13. SWTsig

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    Dude, we're competing for a World Series title this year. I know 5 straight years of World Series contention has us spoiled but you don't forgo dynastic achievement for 4.5 years of player control for a player who is far more likely to become a utility guy than an All Star. Graveman helps fill our only glaring weakness...who cares what Toro becomes if Graveman helps us win another title and cements this Astros era as one of the best in baseball history?
     
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    . Scherzer, with a 3.38 ERA in 112 postseason innings, is the more accomplished and experienced October pitcher. Darvish has a 5.18 ERA in 33 postseason innings, though that figure was inflated by two awful starts against the Astros in the 2017 World Series. MLB later determined that the Astros stole signs illegally during the 2017 postseason.

    Rosenthal is such a little douche.
     
  15. NIKEstrad

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    lol at the additional defense of Bauer and the mudslinging at the Astros in defense of Darvish tipping his pitches.
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

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    ...while failing to mention that 1 of those 2 starts was at Dodger Stadium
     
  17. jev5555

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    This will be an unpopular take .. but bring back Roberto Osuna.
     
  18. marks0223

    marks0223 2017 and 2022 World Series Champions
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    Didn't they non tender him because of TJ surgery concerns? Is he actually healthy?
     
  19. Snake Diggit

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    It’s just about value. Graveman is a rental and has been the luckiest reliever in baseball this season. Assuming that Graveman is going to result in a meaningful improvement in Houston’s chances of winning the World Series goes against reality. I like adding Graveman and trust Click. But I just thought Toro was a little too valuable to really like the trade a lot overall. No big deal.
     
  20. King1

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    Buxton wants to stay in Minnesota
     
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