I agree with what she is saying and as somebody running she should be pushing that message but? Even with those undercounted Trump voters he won michigan by less than 50,000 votes and a low democratic tourn out, this is my issue with this kind of talk, let's talk about all of the factors instead of the boogie man that is the secret Trump voter. To me it comes down to simple math has the secret Trump voters increased since 2016 and is that enough to negate the record number of people who have voted Dem since 2018? Does this secret Trump vote offset the rise in black and Hispanic voters for Biden even if its only 2% rise? Does the secret Trump vote negate the 8% drop in republican approval?
Problem is that a president alone can not change much and thank goodness for that or we'd be in hell right now given how authoritarians Trump is. The issue isn't corruption, the issue is that we are a corporatocracy. Big business and lobbying groups have a stranglehold on congress and way too much sway. The rich have a ton of sway. This prevents any kind of meaningful legislation from actually happening.
The problem is even if you believe there's a hidden Trump vote, and that polls are, bizarrely, stuck in time 4 years ago....it's still. Not. Close. to
Just to be clear I see no indication that things are going to get MAGICALLY better reg Covid & the economy. I do think though that there are enough things happening (drug companies working overtime, great scientists working overtime, etc) that it is technically possible that things get substantially better in the Fall. However I hope that nobody in government, science, etc. are thinking magic thinking or thinking "oh someone else will develop a cure." I just want to be clear that Democrats and the Biden camp should prepare for a tight race IF that happens. I have little faith in Americans ability to be avoid ignorance in Trumps role in putting us in this situation, and his limited role in finding a way out IF that does come. The evidence I have for that thinking is Trump's polling on "who do you trust with the Economy". I'm sorry but the evidence is not good with this data to show that Trump has the ability to rebound in the polls IF he gets a break in the fall with a breakthrough even if it has nothing to do with anything he did.
I actually agree with all of this and don't think Biden will keep up this polling margin and he has to campaign like he is down in the polls. What i don't agree is that there are all these people coming home for Trump because he is not home for them and even here in Texas I know people who voted for him and are just tired of him. How about those voters that will come home for the Dems? That would win him both Penn and Mich. This is healthy to debate this topic I believe.
Where's the evidence then of a persuadable swingy electorate? There should be some wild swings in the data and not lots of strong disapproves. But it's the opposite. The Trump economic "advantage' would have to be absolutely massive to overcome that. It's not, it's a small pluarality and it's shrinking as the economy bleeds out and he does **** all to help it, despite Pelosi throwing him life preservers repeatedly.
Congress is suppose to represent the people. A business paying massive amounts of money to political parties to pass legislation that is not favorable to the people is the absolute definition of corruption. Political parties are very very corrupt. We need to stop viewing it as anything else but corruption.
Oh man if those voters that "come home" to the Dems that voted for Obama especially in 2008 come out to vote its overwith. It'll be a gigantic wipe out no doubt. There were so many people I know that are my liberal friends (especially my black & Hispanic friends) that didn't vote in 2016 and openly admitted they weren't voting. That's why many pollsters like David Plouffe have been saying for awhile now that Dems might actually have the wrong strategy in looking again and again at the rust belt when the voters that could get them more electoral seats and get them better Congressional down ballet success are in states like AZ, GA, and Florida. If Biden had a turnout message for Latino's in Texas and Arizona that turned them out Texas would easily be a Dem state. So yes... even just getting Dems to turnout and "Come Home" from just the 2008 coalition is more than enough to send Trump packing, and theres a TON of room to grow. ..... On Trumpers coming home, I think it's largely anecdotal on my part as I've shared before. I don't know what it is about my circle but it's an unmovable object. I do think there are some that voted for him that are not going to vote for him again. I just don't see all of the 62% who are disapproving of him now in the polls being 100% not voting for him. I see his number more like 45% almost steadily. He was probably more like 48 to 50% in 2017.... however that 3 to 5% of voters he's lost probably loses him the election if it's lost evenly across the states.
Hearing more about your social circles I understand your real fear that Trump will get reelected, I just hope discussing these things gives you a little comfort. Having people like you and RJ are what is needed but it's also ok to look at other factors.
I know many people who didn’t vote in 2016 who are definitely voting in 2020, and it’s damn sure not for Trump I know some people who didn’t like Hillary, so gave Trump a “protest vote”...it’s not happening in 2020 let’s talk about the hidden Dem vote and HUGE anti-Trump vote
The Supreme Court ruled in Citizens United that corporations are able to give unlimited sums of money in donations as it is a form of free speech. That's the problem. It's not even that the parties are corrupt but rather that in order to raise enough money to win an election, you have to become beholden to corporate interests.
Where is evidence that any “hidden Trump vote” will be larger than it was in 2016? His support among Republicans has been declining even tho it’s still quite high. Also, where is evidence that this hidden vote will offset an increase in Democratic voter turnout and the huge wave of anti-Trump sentiment, a sentiment that is raging much harder than in 2016 after 4 years of disaster?Why won’t many of these 2016 hidden Trumpers realize they made a mistake, and vote for Biden to put and end to all the fckery? Trump’s support among the elderly, independents, and other groups has continued to decline. The elderly won’t overlook how bad he’s handled this virus because they’re the main ones dying. The economy? With the way this virus is raging, we might have to do another shutdown. He has no plan to combat it. Trump now has to defend his record as President, and Biden isn’t nearly as unpopular as Hillary. How is this “hidden Trump vote” offsetting increased Dem turnout because Biden is not nearly as hated as Hillary, and it is well known that the country can’t afford 4 more years of Trump? How is it offsetting his declining support among independents? How is it offsetting the anger at how he’s handling the virus?
If a vaccine came out instantly and Covid-19 disappeared off the earth Trump woul still be an ego driven psychopath. He would probably be ten times worse actually. Coronavirus disappearing would not change my outlook on Trump for a second. Science and great minds might help save the world, but men like Trump will never change. They will always be Me First men who will almost stop at nothing to get their way, stepping on everybody who crosses them to ensure that happens.
Coulter can read polls like everybody else, she is angling to be the "conservative" who is calling everybody out because they did not go far enough.
Those numbers have had to be very poor for them to cancel the rally. Trump can't be liking this ridicule.
He hates it. That's why it's so important to repeatedly emphasize how badly he is losing and likely to lose, publicly. It destroys him personally - which is great but not the point - but moreover it just causes him to double down on his personality cult themes - which cause him to lose even more It's so bad the ostrigomoms and bassoon of the universe think him approving Russians paying off bounties to launch terrorist attacks on Americans and his impending litigation hell for tax fraud is a less losing issue for him That's....not great Bob!
Yeah you pointing out that this affects him personally really made me think that is a good thing. He cannot stop lashing out.
